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Subject: Re: Re: Vision for new platform
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>> I understand that and instead systemd I prefer to stay with
>> sysvinit+openrc... but the only solution is to prepare a new init
>> stuff from scratch (systemd+udev+dbus alternative). Do you see another
>> solution?
>
> Maybe new init stuff, maybe daemon that will control other daemons and
> get launched from inittab for example.
> I'm just trying to warn that this must not be a second systemd and
> that's all. Sure that adequate non-bloated alternative should exist.
> Maybe it should be developed as a part of new platform that we
> all want to have, because as an alternative alone it will not be
> accepted well.

musl libc is an alternative to glibc etc. We talk about the vision of
a new platform, so if this new solution would arise, then its natural
that init stuff should be developed as a project related to musl. The
main question is whether we should start such a project (new init) or
may remain with existing init (sysvinid / systemd / runit etc.)?

Daniel