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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Adhemerval Zanella' <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>,
	Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
Cc: 'Nicholas Piggin' <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	"libc-dev@lists.llvm.org" <libc-dev@lists.llvm.org>,
	"libc-alpha@sourceware.org" <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"musl@lists.openwall.com" <musl@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: RE: [musl] Powerpc Linux 'scv' system call ABI proposal take 2
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:31:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bc3d8d98e5d64f9e8407290c68b21ed2@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <960127e0-57a0-55b4-f309-ae0a675c7756@linaro.org>

From: Adhemerval Zanella
> Sent: 21 April 2020 16:01
> 
> On 21/04/2020 11:39, Rich Felker wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 12:28:25PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> >> From: Nicholas Piggin
> >>> Sent: 20 April 2020 02:10
> >> ...
> >>>>> Yes, but does it really matter to optimize this specific usage case
> >>>>> for size? glibc, for instance, tries to leverage the syscall mechanism
> >>>>> by adding some complex pre-processor asm directives.  It optimizes
> >>>>> the syscall code size in most cases.  For instance, kill in static case
> >>>>> generates on x86_64:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 0000000000000000 <__kill>:
> >>>>>    0:   b8 3e 00 00 00          mov    $0x3e,%eax
> >>>>>    5:   0f 05                   syscall
> >>>>>    7:   48 3d 01 f0 ff ff       cmp    $0xfffffffffffff001,%rax
> >>>>>    d:   0f 83 00 00 00 00       jae    13 <__kill+0x13>
> >>
> >> Hmmm... that cmp + jae is unnecessary here.
> >
> > It's not.. Rather the objdump was just mistakenly done without -r so
> > it looks like a nop jump rather than a conditional tail call to the
> > function that sets errno.
> >
> 
> Indeed, the output with -r is:
> 
> 0000000000000000 <__kill>:
>    0:   b8 3e 00 00 00          mov    $0x3e,%eax
>    5:   0f 05                   syscall
>    7:   48 3d 01 f0 ff ff       cmp    $0xfffffffffffff001,%rax
>    d:   0f 83 00 00 00 00       jae    13 <__kill+0x13>
>                         f: R_X86_64_PLT32       __syscall_error-0x4
>   13:   c3                      retq

Yes, I probably should have remembered it looked like that :-)
...
> >> I also suspect it gets predicted very badly.
> >
> > I doubt that. This is a very standard idiom and the size of the offset
> > (which is necessarily 32-bit because it has a relocation on it) is
> > orthogonal to the condition on the jump.

Yes, it only gets mispredicted as badly as any other conditional jump.
I believe modern intel x86 will randomly predict it taken (regardless
of the direction) and then hit a TLB fault on text.unlikely :-)

> > FWIW a syscall like kill takes global kernel-side locks to be able to
> > address a target process by pid, and the rate of meaningful calls you
> > can make to it is very low (since it's bounded by time for target
> > process to act on the signal). Trying to optimize it for speed is
> > pointless, and even size isn't important locally (although in
> > aggregate, lots of wasted small size can add up to more pages = more
> > TLB entries = ...).
> 
> I agree and I would prefer to focus on code simplicity to have a
> platform neutral way to handle error and let the compiler optimize
> it than messy with assembly macros to squeeze this kind of
> micro-optimizations.

syscall entry does get micro-optimised.
Real speed-ups can probably be found by optimising other places.
I've a patch i need to resumbit that should improve the reading
of iov[] from user space.

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-21 15:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-15 21:45 Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-15 22:55 ` Rich Felker
2020-04-16  0:16   ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-16  0:48     ` Rich Felker
2020-04-16  2:24       ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-16  2:35         ` Rich Felker
2020-04-16  2:53           ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-16  3:03             ` Rich Felker
2020-04-16  3:41               ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-16 20:18             ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-16  9:58     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-04-20  0:27       ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-20  1:29         ` Rich Felker
2020-04-20  2:08           ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-20 21:17             ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-04-21  9:57               ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-16 15:21     ` Jeffrey Walton
2020-04-16 15:40       ` Rich Felker
2020-04-16  4:48   ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-16 15:35     ` Rich Felker
2020-04-16 16:42       ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-16 16:52         ` Rich Felker
2020-04-16 18:12           ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-16 23:02             ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-17  0:34               ` Rich Felker
2020-04-17  1:48                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-17  8:34                   ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-16 14:16   ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-04-16 15:37     ` Rich Felker
2020-04-16 17:50       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-04-16 17:59         ` Rich Felker
2020-04-16 18:18           ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-04-16 18:31             ` Rich Felker
2020-04-16 18:44               ` Rich Felker
2020-04-16 18:52               ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-04-20  0:46                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-20  1:10               ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-20  1:34                 ` Rich Felker
2020-04-20  2:32                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-20  4:09                     ` Rich Felker
2020-04-20  4:31                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-20 17:27                         ` Rich Felker
2020-04-22  6:18                           ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-22  6:29                             ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-23  2:36                             ` Rich Felker
2020-04-23 12:13                               ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-04-23 16:18                                 ` Rich Felker
2020-04-23 16:35                                   ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-04-23 16:43                                     ` Rich Felker
2020-04-23 17:15                                       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-04-23 17:42                                         ` Rich Felker
2020-04-25  3:40                                           ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-25  4:52                                             ` Rich Felker
2020-04-25  3:30                               ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-21 12:28                 ` David Laight
2020-04-21 14:39                   ` Rich Felker
2020-04-21 15:00                     ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-04-21 15:31                       ` David Laight [this message]
2020-04-22  6:54                       ` [musl] " Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-22  7:15                         ` Florian Weimer
2020-04-22  7:31                           ` Nicholas Piggin
2020-04-22  8:11                             ` Florian Weimer

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