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From: Dominic Chen <d.c.ddcc@gmail.com>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>, fweimer@redhat.com
Cc: musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [musl] Incorrect thread TID caching
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 15:21:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c1944b59-e2ab-d110-b2a1-ca47b93bf521@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210203192145.GW23432@brightrain.aerifal.cx>


On 2/3/2021 2:16 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
> If you use the clone system call wrapper in threading (not fork/vfork)
> mode, you cannot call any libc functions afterwards, including the
> syscall function.  Instead, you have to issue direct system calls.
On 2/3/2021 2:21 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
> Unfortunately it's really underdocumented and underexplored what a
> child created with clone() can do. There are definitely limitations --
> for example any usage with CLONE_VM or CLONE_THREAD is restricted not
> to call into libc at all, and might not even be safe whatsoever.
> However basic usage comparable in semantics to _Fork is probably
> supposed to work at least as well as _Fork -- in particular calling
> AS-safe libc functions should work.

I wasn't aware of this behavior, and didn't see any documentation about 
this for the glibc clone() wrapper either. This seems to be a big 
footgun, and after looking through the history for this code in Chrome, 
it looks like they had a similar issue with glibc too.

> BTW does Chrom{e,ium} itself do something with raw clone? If so this
> could be a source of some of the bugs users hit, and it would be great
> to get a clearer picture on what's happening.

The code in question is a unittest for the sandbox, which manually calls 
clone with CLONE_NEWPID to fork a child in a PID namespace, then 
installs a signal handler and checks that it receives SIGTERM correctly: 
https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/master:sandbox/linux/services/namespace_sandbox_unittest.cc;l=194 
. But under musl, raise() uses the cached TID value, so the test 
eventually times out.

I missed that the NamespaceSandbox::ForkInNewPidNamespace() function 
does manually update the cached TID for glibc after calling the 
ForkWithFlags wrapper, so I can just do the same for musl too.

Separately, it looks like glibc used to have a PID cache too, but was 
removed after a discussion that you were both involved with: 
http://sourceware-org.1504.n7.nabble.com/Caching-of-PID-TID-after-fork-td416394.html

Thanks,

Dominic


  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-03 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-03  4:04 Dominic Chen
2021-02-03  7:16 ` Florian Weimer
2021-02-03 19:21 ` Rich Felker
2021-02-03 20:21   ` Dominic Chen [this message]
2021-02-03 21:01     ` Rich Felker
2021-02-03 22:30       ` Dominic Chen
2021-02-03 22:55         ` Rich Felker
2021-02-15 16:56           ` Rich Felker
2021-02-17 19:49             ` Dominic Chen
2021-02-17 20:11               ` Rich Felker
2021-02-17 21:07                 ` Rich Felker
2021-03-12 21:14                   ` Dominic Chen
2021-02-04  3:28     ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-02-04  4:22       ` Dominic Chen
2021-02-04 16:15         ` Rich Felker

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