From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/5547 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Frans Goddijn" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Acrobat viewer and A4 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:49:49 +0200 Sender: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl Message-ID: <029801c1389f$7f903fc0$6501a8c0@lap> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0295_01C138B0.2F076D60" X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035396133 2614 80.91.224.250 (23 Oct 2002 18:02:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: "NTG-ConTeXt mailing list" Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:5547 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:5547 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0295_01C138B0.2F076D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I view my document using Acrobat, the footer looks 10mm closer to = the bottom of the page than it actually is in print. Is Acrobat known to be less than accurate in paper proportion or should = I look for an explanation elsewhere? Groet! Frans ------=_NextPart_000_0295_01C138B0.2F076D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When I view my document using Acrobat, the = footer looks=20 10mm closer to the bottom of the page than it actually is in = print.

Is Acrobat known to be less than accurate in = paper=20 proportion or should I look for an explanation elsewhere?

Groet!

Frans

------=_NextPart_000_0295_01C138B0.2F076D60-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/5548 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Patrick Gundlach Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Acrobat viewer and A4 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 22:35:35 +0200 Sender: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl Message-ID: <01090822353500.10870@levana> References: <029801c1389f$7f903fc0$6501a8c0@lap> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035396134 2616 80.91.224.250 (23 Oct 2002 18:02:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: NTG-ConTeXt mailing list In-Reply-To: <029801c1389f$7f903fc0$6501a8c0@lap> Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:5548 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:5548 Hi Frans, > Is Acrobat known to be less than accurate in paper proportion or should I > look for an explanation elsewhere? Did you turn off the option 'Fit to Page' in the print dialog box of the Acrobat Reader? Did you really switch to the a4 papersize in the PageSetup Dialog Box? I need to do both. The results are very accurate (tested with the testpage.tex LaTeX file, less than 1mm difference). -- Viele Grüße, Patrick Gundlach From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/5550 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Frans Goddijn" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Acrobat viewer and A4 Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:03:05 +0200 Sender: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl Message-ID: <002201c1391f$c59796a0$6501a8c0@lap> References: <029801c1389f$7f903fc0$6501a8c0@lap> <01090822353500.10870@levana> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035396136 2630 80.91.224.250 (23 Oct 2002 18:02:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:02:16 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: "NTG-ConTeXt mailing list" Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:5550 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:5550 Hello Patrick, > Did you turn off the option > 'Fit to Page' in the print > dialog box of the > Acrobat Reader? yes, checked, is default on > Did you really switch to the > a4 papersize in the PageSetup > Dialog Box? I need to do both I need to do this again every time Acrobat starts up. It defaults on "Letter" paper, the US size. I can't seem to find where to change the default to A4. If I change it when the document is already on display it doesn't make a diffrence in the view and there;s no "refresh" screen option to se the result after these settings have been modified. I'll get Acrobat reader 5.0 and see what happens. I'm currently on 4.0 Thanks for your feedback! Frans From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/5552 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Patrick Gundlach Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Acrobat viewer and A4 Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:44:04 +0200 Sender: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl Message-ID: <01090913440401.03415@levana> References: <029801c1389f$7f903fc0$6501a8c0@lap> <01090822353500.10870@levana> <002201c1391f$c59796a0$6501a8c0@lap> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035396138 2641 80.91.224.250 (23 Oct 2002 18:02:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: NTG-ConTeXt mailing list In-Reply-To: <002201c1391f$c59796a0$6501a8c0@lap> Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:5552 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:5552 Hallo Frans, > > Did you turn off the option > > 'Fit to Page' in the print > > dialog box of the > > Acrobat Reader? > > yes, checked, is default on should be off. > > Did you really switch to the > > a4 papersize in the PageSetup > > Dialog Box? I need to do both > I need to do this again every time Acrobat starts up. It defaults on > "Letter" paper, the US size. I can't seem to find where to change the > default to A4. If I change it when the document is already on display it > doesn't make a diffrence in the view and there;s no "refresh" screen > option to se the result after these settings have been modified. I have to switch it every time I start Acrobat, too. But this is not for display, it is for printing only. As far as I know, there is no option to set it to a4 as a default. The display size is shown at the bottom of the acrobat reader (a4 should read 210x297mm). You might double check this. > I'll get Acrobat reader 5.0 and see what happens. I'm currently on 4.0 Oh, you are using a win/mac version? I only know the solaris/linux version of the acrobat reader. Did you try the testpage.tex latex document with pdflatex? If not, give it a try and print it out. I think this is really helpful. Is your printed output scaled or just shifted? What system are you using? -- Viele Grüße, Patrick Gundlach From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/5554 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Frans Goddijn" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Acrobat viewer and A4 Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:02:02 +0200 Sender: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl Message-ID: <001601c13927$6ffc5480$6501a8c0@lap> References: <029801c1389f$7f903fc0$6501a8c0@lap> <01090822353500.10870@levana> <002201c1391f$c59796a0$6501a8c0@lap> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035396139 2653 80.91.224.250 (23 Oct 2002 18:02:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: "NTG-ConTeXt mailing list" Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:5554 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:5554 A re-install of my printer drivers and an install of the Acrobat reader 5.0 after deleting 4.0 still gets me the darn "Letter" size by default in Acrobat. Anyone any idea? Regards, Frans ----- Original Message ----- From: Frans Goddijn > I'll get Acrobat reader 5.0 and see what happens. I'm currently on 4.0 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/5555 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Frans Goddijn" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Acrobat viewer and A4 Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:28:30 +0200 Sender: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl Message-ID: <002e01c1392a$f1355b20$6501a8c0@lap> References: <029801c1389f$7f903fc0$6501a8c0@lap> <01090822353500.10870@levana> <002201c1391f$c59796a0$6501a8c0@lap> <01090913440401.03415@levana> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035396140 2660 80.91.224.250 (23 Oct 2002 18:02:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: "NTG-ConTeXt mailing list" Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:5555 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:5555 Hello Patrick, > > yes, checked, is default on > > should be off. Thanks. On 5.0 this is named "shrink to fit" and I turned it off. Will see what difference it makes in the printing-viewing discrepancy. > I have to switch it every time I start > Acrobat, too. But this is not for > display, it is for printing only. As > far as I know, there is no option to > set it to a4 as a default. That's wildly annoying of Adobe. Do you know if the commercial version is more flexible? I like to use the Acrobbat for viewing and printing to be able to forget about how to install a DVI viewer and printer driver for my lexmark printer. I vaguely recall how cumbersome that was in the pre-4TEX days and since 4TEX got somewhat obsolete and not replaced by something equally nice as a shell, I never felt like going back into the trenches to figure out these command line printer droiver settings, files, PK fonts... yuck! > The display size is shown at the bottom > of the acrobat reader (a4 should read > 210x297mm). You might double check this Tyhanks, I did and changed Acrobat from inches to millimeters > Oh, you are using a win/mac version? Yes on my W98 laptop. > Did you try the testpage.tex latex > document with pdflatex? I don't think I have pdflatex, I merely installed FPtex and ConTeXt and I use ConTeXt for my new documents. I use the old 4TEX version 4 setup on my desk top PC for tex-files that I haven't converted to ConTeXt yet. > Is your printed output scaled or just shifted? It looks perfect, just on screen the page bottom is considerably nearer to the page number in the footer than on actual paper so far... > What system are you using? Windows98, ConTeXt in a FPtex directory structure, is that what you meant to ask? Groet! Frans From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/5566 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tarik Kara Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Acrobat viewer and A4 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:06:56 +0300 (EET DST) Sender: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl Message-ID: References: <002e01c1392a$f1355b20$6501a8c0@lap> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035396150 2757 80.91.224.250 (23 Oct 2002 18:02:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:02:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: NTG-ConTeXt mailing list Original-To: Frans Goddijn In-Reply-To: <002e01c1392a$f1355b20$6501a8c0@lap> Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:5566 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:5566 On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Frans Goddijn wrote: > > > I have to switch it every time I start > > Acrobat, too. But this is not for > > display, it is for printing only. As > > far as I know, there is no option to > > set it to a4 as a default. > Try changing the printer setup. Under the control panel select printer then select properties of the printer and change paper size to A4. With this the default paper size (for the priner) should be A4 for any application you use. Hope this helps/ Tar{\i}k Kara From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/5569 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Berend de Boer Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Acrobat viewer and A4 Date: 10 Sep 2001 07:33:30 +0200 Sender: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl Message-ID: <87d74zlidx.fsf@dellius.nederware.nl> References: <029801c1389f$7f903fc0$6501a8c0@lap> <01090822353500.10870@levana> <002201c1391f$c59796a0$6501a8c0@lap> <001601c13927$6ffc5480$6501a8c0@lap> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035396153 2768 80.91.224.250 (23 Oct 2002 18:02:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "NTG-ConTeXt mailing list" Original-To: "Frans Goddijn" In-Reply-To: <001601c13927$6ffc5480$6501a8c0@lap> Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:5569 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:5569 "Frans Goddijn" writes: > A re-install of my printer drivers and an install of the Acrobat reader 5.0 > after deleting 4.0 still gets me the darn "Letter" size by default in > Acrobat. Anyone any idea? What paper size do you get when you print from other programs, notepad for example? -- Groetjes, Berend. (-: From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/5573 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Frans Goddijn" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Acrobat viewer and A4 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:06:14 +0200 Sender: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl Message-ID: <000101c139d9$154340a0$6501a8c0@lap> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035396156 2789 80.91.224.250 (23 Oct 2002 18:02:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:02:36 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: "NTG-ConTeXt mailing list" Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:5573 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:5573 Thanks Tarik for that suggestion! I'd missed out on that menu so far. The "Lexmark Control Program" didn't have it. Now, the print and paper setup menu of Acrobat default at A4. Good! The page number in the footer still looks closer to the paper end on screen than it is on paper. Will try the same on another printer in 10 days. Groet, Frans > Try changing the printer setup. Under the > control panel select printer then select > properties of the printer and change paper > size to A4. With this the default paper > size (for the priner) should be A4 for any > application you use. Hope this helps/ > > Tar{\i}k Kara From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/5574 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Frans Goddijn" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Acrobat viewer and A4 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:08:18 +0200 Sender: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl Message-ID: <000201c139d9$155d3140$6501a8c0@lap> References: <029801c1389f$7f903fc0$6501a8c0@lap> <01090822353500.10870@levana><002201c1391f$c59796a0$6501a8c0@lap> <001601c13927$6ffc5480$6501a8c0@lap> <87d74zlidx.fsf@dellius.nederware.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035396157 2791 80.91.224.250 (23 Oct 2002 18:02:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "NTG-ConTeXt mailing list" Original-To: "Berend de Boer" Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:5574 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:5574 MED and Notepad default to A4 (that may be due to Tarik's solution). ----- Original Message ----- From: Berend de Boer > What paper size do you get when you print from > other programs, notepad for example? > Groetjes, > Berend. (-: From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/5624 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?q?K=FChne?= Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Acrobat viewer and A4 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:46:30 +0200 Sender: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl Message-ID: <200109131050.MAA14167@mail.zapnet.de> References: <029801c1389f$7f903fc0$6501a8c0@lap> <01090822353500.10870@levana> <002201c1391f$c59796a0$6501a8c0@lap> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035396204 3226 80.91.224.250 (23 Oct 2002 18:03:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: "Frans Goddijn" , "NTG-ConTeXt mailing list" In-Reply-To: <002201c1391f$c59796a0$6501a8c0@lap> Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:5624 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:5624 Am Sonntag, 9. September 2001 13:03 schrieb Frans Goddijn: [..] > I need to do this again every time Acrobat starts up. It defaults on > "Letter" paper, the US size. I can't seem to find where to change the > default to A4. If I change it when the document is already on display > it doesn't make a diffrence in the view and there;s no "refresh" > screen option to se the result after these settings have been > modified. [..] As far as I can find out there is a bug in at least the Linux version of Acrobat Reader 4.0 (was present in 3.x also). I dont't know if the problems reported on Windows here have to do with it (but seems so). It is even a bit worse as described, because the Page Setup dialog _does_ remember the paper size, via a "*PaperSize:" entry in ~/.acrorc - but this affects only the combo box, _not_ the values actually used. These can still be viewed in the "Dimensions" area in the same dialog and are always 215.9 x 279.4 (if you use mm as default unit), i.e. Letter, on startup. Only if you change them manually or via the combo box (which requires changing to whatever else and then back to A4) you get the right values. This is a bug that should be easily removable but has been there for several versions over years. I tried to report it to Adobe some months ago but gave up after getting lost in their web jungle. Good example for the structural inferiority of closed source software, BTW. Anders