From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/18514 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Mats Broberg" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: RE: lack of hyphenation Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:34:47 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c51c29$77b25560$cbddd850@DJCPX90J> References: <20050226170810.63324.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1109439039 21459 80.91.229.2 (26 Feb 2005 17:30:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Feb 26 18:30:39 2005 Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D55lu-0002KD-1y for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:30:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4CC12849; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:34:44 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06030-06-5; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:34:41 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD3D12850; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:34:41 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4309812850 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:34:40 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06030-06-4 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:34:39 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from amsfep18-int.chello.nl (amsfep18-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.13]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588BF127C9 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:34:39 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from DJCPX90J ([80.216.221.203]) by amsfep18-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.01 201-2131-118-101-20041129) with ESMTP id <20050226173439.LAQN4045.amsfep18-int.chello.nl@DJCPX90J> for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:34:39 +0100 Original-To: "'mailing list for ConTeXt users'" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <20050226170810.63324.qmail@web80409.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-MailScanner-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-MailScanner-To: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:18514 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:18514 Ciro, >>From a purely typographical point of view, a hyphenated word is always better than excessive space between words in a line (which is more discernable to the eye). However, depending on column width, the language the text is typeset in, and the algorithm that is used for hyphenation & justification, some texts can be typeset without very few hyphens. But if a text is typeset without hyphenation - take a really good look at the word spacing. Chances are, they are large. BTW, it's easier to see excessive wordspacing if you hold the page upside down and squint with your eyes. Ok, here's something for the spacing aficionados: Take a look at "The art of spacing" by Bartels (Chicago, 1926). I have it at hand when I'm writing this. Not one hyphen in the whole book, not one excessive wordspace - and all last lines in paragraphs ending less than a one or two ems from the right margin. Beautiful, and probably mathematically impossible to achieve. If I don't remember wrong, DEK writes about Bartels in one of his books and suspects he rewrote the text while handsetting the lines. I would agree with that. Best regards, Mats Broberg > -----Original Message----- > From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl > [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Ciro A. Soto > Sent: den 26 februari 2005 18:08 > To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > Subject: [NTG-context] lack of hyphenation > > > The knowlegeable John Culleton said in one of the > lists that he could recognize if a book was typeset > with > MS-word by looking at the "rivers" and the lack of > hyphenation. I then checked my 310-page book I am > typesetting with context and not a single line had a > hyphenated word at the end. > > So, my question is: Is it okay? or do I need to set > any parameter to allow hyphenation? > I do have > \tolerance=10000, because I don't like lines longer > than the rest, but I thought I could still get some > hyphenated words. Am I right? > > thank you > Ciro > > ===== > ================== > Ciro A. Soto > Author of > "The Guitar Maker. > An Exploration of Wisdom, Design and Love." Pub. Date: Aug. 2005. > > "All problems are at the interface. Each one of them has a > solution." _______________________________________________ > ntg-context mailing list > ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >