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* Two questions on bibliography
@ 2018-11-12 16:50 Joshua Moerman
  2018-11-13 14:24 ` Alan Braslau
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Joshua Moerman @ 2018-11-12 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users

Dear mailing list,

My questions are related to one by Rik a few weeks back (but he did not get
an answer yet). I am using the APA style (context version 2018.10.03 16:02).

Q1: Shouldn't the order of multiple citations (using a single \cite command)
be the same as the order in the publications list? In the example below, the
orders are different.

Q2: Is there a way to capitalise the first letter of a last name in
\cite[...]? For example, this may be necessary when starting a new sentence.
But it is also generally preferred in Dutch when the last name starts with
'van' (or something similar).


\startbuffer[biblio]
@article{PAPER1,
	author    = {First Author},
	title     = {A paper},
	year      = {2016}
}

@article{PAPER2,
	author    = {First Writer},
	title     = {Another paper},
	year      = {2017}
}

@article{PAPER3,
	author    = {Jan van Amsterdam},
	title     = {Yet another paper},
	year      = {2018}
}
\stopbuffer

\usebtxdataset[biblio.buffer]
\usebtxdefinitions[apa]

\starttext
% Order is 3, 1, 2
We refer to \cite[authoryears][PAPER1, PAPER2, PAPER3].

\cite[authoryears][PAPER3] provides background.

\blank
% Order is 1, 3, 2 (unlike before)
\placelistofpublications
\stoptext

\showbtxdatasetcompleteness


Thanks in advance,
All the best,
Joshua Moerman

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* Re: Two questions on bibliography
  2018-11-12 16:50 Two questions on bibliography Joshua Moerman
@ 2018-11-13 14:24 ` Alan Braslau
  2018-11-13 16:38   ` Joshua Moerman
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Alan Braslau @ 2018-11-13 14:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Joshua Moerman; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:50:09 +0100
"Joshua Moerman" <context@joshuamoerman.nl> wrote:

> I am using the APA style (context version 2018.10.03 16:02).
> 
> Q1: Shouldn't the order of multiple citations (using a single \cite command)
> be the same as the order in the publications list? In the example below, the
> orders are different.

In the APA specification, the order of the bibliography list as well as the order of the citations within a pair of parenthesis is to be alphabetical then year ("authoryear"). You can set a different sort order if you do not want to follow the APA specification.


> Q2: Is there a way to capitalise the first letter of a last name in
> \cite[...]? For example, this may be necessary when starting a new sentence.
> But it is also generally preferred in Dutch when the last name starts with
> 'van' (or something similar).

You are referring to a "van" or "particle" element of a name. These have specific rules (and all is not straight yet, for these rules depend on the language and are not clear).

Alan
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* Re: Two questions on bibliography
  2018-11-13 14:24 ` Alan Braslau
@ 2018-11-13 16:38   ` Joshua Moerman
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From: Joshua Moerman @ 2018-11-13 16:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'Alan Braslau', 'Joshua Moerman'
  Cc: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users'

Dear Alan,

>> Q1: Shouldn't the order of multiple citations (using a single \cite 
>> command) be the same as the order in the publications list? In the 
>> example below, the orders are different.
>
> In the APA specification, the order of the bibliography list as well as
> the order of the citations within a pair of parenthesis is to be
> alphabetical then year ("authoryear"). You can set a different sort order
> if you do not want to follow the APA specification.

Both the list and the citation are sorted on "authoryear". But the orders in
the pdf are different. Is this a bug in ConTeXT?

>> Q2: Is there a way to capitalise the first letter of a last name in 
>> \cite[...]? For example, this may be necessary when starting a new
sentence.
>> But it is also generally preferred in Dutch when the last name starts 
>> with 'van' (or something similar).
>
> You are referring to a "van" or "particle" element of a name. These
> have specific rules (and all is not straight yet, for these rules depend
> on the language and are not clear).

Yes indeed. I do not need a general solution (as that would be way too
complicated). But is there a nice way to fine-tune the rendering on the
spot? (In this case, I only need to have the first character capitalised, in
a few occasions.)

Thank you for your reply,

All the best,
Joshua Moerman

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