Support bei Einstieg in ConText

Support bei Einstieg in ConText

[ml-context]

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Nach langem Winword-Leiden habe ich mich nun entschlossen 
für längere Texte auf ConTeXt umzusteigen.
Aus Zeitgründen überlege ich, mir für den Umstieg Unterstützung zu leisten.
Bevor ich bei uns an der FH Studenten dafür anspreche, versuche ich es hier über das Forum.

Wer ist interessiert, gegen finanzielle Unterstützung bei folgenden Aufgaben zu leisten?

- Unterstützung bei der Einrichtung einer TeX/ConTeXt-Umgebung
- Beraten beim Layout für ein längeres Dokument
- Bestehende Winword-Texte Schulungsunterlagen konvertieren und formatieren
- Evtl. beraten bei Auswahl einer Digitaldruckerei 

Gruß
Jörg

Re: Support bei Einstieg in ConText

[Willi Egger]

Hallo Jörg

Gerne würde ich mehr über dieses Vorhaben wissen.
Unterstützung bieten, Mmithilfe bei der Konvertierung ist kein Problem.
Was ich wahrscheinlich nicht kann, ist Ihnen helfen an eine Digitale
Druckerei. Doch nehme ich an, dass sich schon Leute auf dierser Liste
befinden, die uns dabei unterstützen können.

Selber bin ich Freiberufler. Ich arbeite ausschliesslich mit Context. Meine
Erfahrung habe ich in den letzten vier Jahren aufgebaut, bin beteiligt and
der Herausgabe von Büchern.

Bitte rufen Sie mich doch an.

+31 485 5733896

Willi Egger
Maassstraat 2
5836 BB Sambeek
Niederlande

www.boede.nl


Freundlicher Grüsse Willi Egger





----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ml-context@dr-kopp.com>
To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:47 AM
Subject: [NTG-context] Support bei Einstieg in ConText


> Nach langem Winword-Leiden habe ich mich nun entschlossen
> für längere Texte auf ConTeXt umzusteigen.
> Aus Zeitgründen überlege ich, mir für den Umstieg Unterstützung zu
leisten.
> Bevor ich bei uns an der FH Studenten dafür anspreche, versuche ich es
hier über das Forum.
>
> Wer ist interessiert, gegen finanzielle Unterstützung bei folgenden
Aufgaben zu leisten?
>
> - Unterstützung bei der Einrichtung einer TeX/ConTeXt-Umgebung
> - Beraten beim Layout für ein längeres Dokument
> - Bestehende Winword-Texte Schulungsunterlagen konvertieren und
formatieren
> - Evtl. beraten bei Auswahl einer Digitaldruckerei
>
> Gruß
> Jörg
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>

Re: Support bei Einstieg in ConText

[Steffen Wolfrum]

>Hallo Jörg
>
>Gerne würde ich mehr über dieses Vorhaben wissen.
>Unterstützung bieten, Mmithilfe bei der Konvertierung ist kein Problem.
>Was ich wahrscheinlich nicht kann, ist Ihnen helfen an eine Digitale
>Druckerei. Doch nehme ich an, dass sich schon Leute auf dierser Liste
>befinden, die uns dabei unterstützen können.
>
>Selber bin ich Freiberufler. Ich arbeite ausschliesslich mit Context. Meine
>Erfahrung habe ich in den letzten vier Jahren aufgebaut, bin beteiligt and
>der Herausgabe von Büchern.


Gibt es etwa Bücher zum Thema ConTeXt?

(Did you ment editing books *on* ConTeXt?)

Steffen

Re: Support bei Einstieg in ConText

[Patrick Gundlach]

Steffen Wolfrum <wlfrm@estfiles.de> writes:

Hi,

> Gibt es etwa Bücher zum Thema ConTeXt?

come on, guys. Posting in a wrong language can happen. So what.
Answering (an obviously private mail posted in the ML) here in the
same language on this mailinglist is not the best thing, but this can happen,
too. But we should not keep up this german thread. It is not polite
for the other non-german speaking people out there, that get
completely bored. So I'd suggest:

\if\language\en\postonthismailinglist=1 
   \else
   \dontexpand & \keepitprivate
   \bye
\fi

Patrick
-- 
You are your own rainbow!

Re: Re: Support bei Einstieg in ConText

[Willi Egger]

Sorry to have initiated this. This is of course not the meaning to keep this
thread open nor to write in German! It is my fault that I wrote the message
by means of reply instead of directing the mail to the addres of the sender.

Willi


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Gundlach" <pg@levana.de>
To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 7:32 AM
Subject: [NTG-context] Re: Support bei Einstieg in ConText


> Steffen Wolfrum <wlfrm@estfiles.de> writes:
>
> Hi,
>
> > Gibt es etwa Bücher zum Thema ConTeXt?
>
> come on, guys. Posting in a wrong language can happen. So what.
> Answering (an obviously private mail posted in the ML) here in the
> same language on this mailinglist is not the best thing, but this can
happen,
> too. But we should not keep up this german thread. It is not polite
> for the other non-german speaking people out there, that get
> completely bored. So I'd suggest:
>
> \if\language\en\postonthismailinglist=1
>    \else
>    \dontexpand & \keepitprivate
>    \bye
> \fi
>
> Patrick
> -- 
> You are your own rainbow!
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>

Re: Re: Support bei Einstieg in ConText

[Hans Hagen]

At 07:32 27/09/2003 +0200, you wrote:

>   \dontexpand & \keepitprivate
               \&

for the rest: I agree -)

% \ifx\language\problem \WeCanMakeAnExtraList \fi

Hans



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Re: Support bei Einstieg in ConText

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

Hi,


> % \ifx\language\problem \WeCanMakeAnExtraList \fi

Then we might get the following error

Underfull \inbox (23.14839msgs too few) ...

Patrick
-- 
You are your own rainbow!

Re: Support ... (was: Support bei Einstieg in ConText)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

>The following message was sent by Patrick Gundlach <pg@levana.de> on Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:32:02 +0200.
>
>&gt; Steffen Wolfrum <wlfrm@estfiles.de> writes:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> > Gibt es etwa B¸cher zum Thema ConTeXt?
>> 
>> come on, guys. Posting in a wrong language can happen. So what.
>> Answering (an obviously private mail posted in the ML) here in the
>> same language on this mailinglist is not the best thing, but this can happen,
>> too. But we should not keep up this german thread. It is not polite
>> for the other non-german speaking people out there, that get
>> completely bored. So I'd suggest:
>> 
>> \if\language\en\postonthismailinglist=1 
>>    \else
>>    \dontexpand & \keepitprivate
>>    \bye
>> \fi
>> 
>> Patrick
>> -- 
>> You are your own rainbow!



Hi Patrick,

Somehow I really felt like walking on thin ice when I wrote the email you mention.
Well, I knew it will be difficult to serve the different aims of communication:

- politeness and
- political correctness

I asked some friends, and we discussed on this topic, trying to find a suitable way,
to get the message transferred, and not to hurt anybodies feelings - as the later is very quickly done, and it's a pity, cause often quite unnecessary.

So finally, after carefully looking at the pro and cons, I decided to write a bi-lingual answer, exactly one sentence each:

> Gibt es etwa Bücher zum Thema ConTeXt?

> (Did you ment editing books *on* ConTeXt?)


Sure, I have to admit that I used brackets for the second sentence.
Btw.: Why didn't you quote that second sentence?

So it might have given you the feeling that I made a *main* answer and a less important.
But my intention was only to stay in the logical structure of the mail I was answering to:

- Jörg once started a threat in German - ok, as you told him this was an initial mistake.
- Willi (a typical multilingual Dutch) also answered in German

So I wrote my contribution also in the main language of this thread,
AND, to stay in the rules of the mailing list, I translated it, as best as I could, into a kind of international English.

Obviously  my mistake were the brackets.

I knew I am walking on thin ice ... and so I forgot to look on my orthography carefully.

Thank you Patrick for pointing me to that.

Steffen

P.S. Who got bored?

Re: Support ...

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

Steffen Wolfrum <wlfrm@estfiles.de> writes:

> I asked some friends, and we discussed on this topic, trying to find
> a suitable way, to get the message transferred, 

did they suggest to write english on an english mailinglist?


> Btw.: Why didn't you quote that second sentence?

I was in a "don't quote the other sentence" mood.


> So I wrote my contribution also in the main language of this thread,

which is clearly off topic. 


Let us not be too verbose on this unimportant stuff. Lets go forth
now and create masterpieces of digital typography. There are better
discussions to spend time.


Patrick
-- 
You are your own rainbow!

Re: Re: Support bei Einstieg in ConText

[Matthew Huggett]

Patrick Gundlach wrote:

>Steffen Wolfrum <wlfrm@estfiles.de> writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>  
>
>>Gibt es etwa Bücher zum Thema ConTeXt?
>>    
>>
>
>come on, guys. Posting in a wrong language can happen. So what.
>Answering (an obviously private mail posted in the ML) here in the
>same language on this mailinglist is not the best thing, but this can happen,
>too. But we should not keep up this german thread. It is not polite
>for the other non-german speaking people out there, that get
>completely bored. 
>

I never understand half of what gets written on this list anyway ;-)
It's all German to me. 

Re: Support bei Einstieg in ConText

[ml-context]

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I try it again in english:

I stopped a long suffer with Winword - and want to write/print longer documents with Context now.

Since I don\'t have enough time do learn Context
properly at this moment - but need some documents printed for students I ask you for some payed support: 

- Install a Context Environment
- tips for layouting my documents
- converting some of my existing winword-documents to context (I think there will be a lot of handwork for you)
- tips and suggestions: \"digital-printer-company\" (Digitaldruck-Firma) and how to work together with them.


I am german and have to use \"deutsche Umlaute\" - therefore I think it will be the best to get support from a german speaking person.


> [for those who are interested: The rest of the original posting was
> about support request for layout, converting documents, etc.]
> Patrick

Please excuse me, Patrick. It\'s my first time in a mailing-list ...
and I made another mistake: I\'ve send my question twice. So, please
be patient with me. I promise less mistakes :-)

best regards
Jörg 
mailto: ml-context@dr-kopp.com

Re: Re: Support bei Einstieg in ConText

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Freitag, 26.09.03, um 11:33 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb 
ml-context@dr-kopp.com:
> Since I don\'t have enough time do learn Context
> properly at this moment - but need some documents printed for students 
> I ask you for some payed support:

I don't have enough time to give payed support.

> - Install a Context Environment
> - tips for layouting my documents
> - converting some of my existing winword-documents to context (I think 
> there will be a lot of handwork for you)
> - tips and suggestions: \"digital-printer-company\" 
> (Digitaldruck-Firma) and how to work together with them.
> I am german and have to use \"deutsche Umlaute\" - therefore I think 
> it will be the best to get support from a german speaking person.

Have a look into my german beginner's tutorial at
http://www.fiee.net/texnique/, that is,
http://www.ramm.ch/fiee/texnique/?menu=0-1&lang=de

Regarding layout: Buy a good book, e.g.:
minimal: Gorbach, Textgestaltung am PC und Mac. Ravensburg 1995 (out of 
print, but used available at amazon)
optimal: Willberg/Forssmann, Lesetypographie. Mainz 1996

If you know what you want, ask again.

Regarding digital printshop: It depends on your wishes and a bit on 
your location.


Grüßlis vom Hraban!
-- 
http://www.fiee.net/texnique/