* Accessibility and Tagged PDF/A, Footnotes showing @ 2016-01-18 19:26 Ursula Hermann 2016-01-18 21:38 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Ursula Hermann @ 2016-01-18 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Hello Hans and Dr. Dominik Klein! Today I found a Thread about Accessibility from last Juli! I work at the University in Vienna, and I work with students, who are blind or have a see handicap. So I read this Thread today. Last year in Summer I began to read the manual of Context. I have a question to this discussion, it is nessesary to know: How can footnotes be shown in the PDF/A tagged PDF, in a text? What I mean something, that shows in the Text the text from the footnote, when I click on the number from the footnote. Maybe with a tooltip? Or what is the right way? Which command? Ursula Hermann ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Accessibility and Tagged PDF/A, Footnotes showing 2016-01-18 19:26 Accessibility and Tagged PDF/A, Footnotes showing Ursula Hermann @ 2016-01-18 21:38 ` Hans Hagen 2016-01-18 22:07 ` Alan BRASLAU 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2016-01-18 21:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 1/18/2016 8:26 PM, Ursula Hermann wrote: > Hello Hans and Dr. Dominik Klein! > > Today I found a Thread about Accessibility from last Juli! > > > I work at the University in Vienna, and I work with students, who are > blind or have a see handicap. So I read this Thread today. > > Last year in Summer I began to read the manual of Context. > > I have a question to this discussion, it is nessesary to know: How can > footnotes be shown in the PDF/A tagged PDF, in a text? > > What I mean something, that shows in the Text the text from the footnote, > when I click on the number from the footnote. > > > Maybe with a tooltip? Or what is the right way? Which command? tooltips are widgets and not part of the document text stream .. so i think they don't count as accessibility feature (but i might be wrong) maybe someone else on the list knows i wonder, as you use tex you can consider generating an additional document (larger fontsize, better readable fonts, inline notes, maybe other enhancements), pop ups etc it'a anyway interesting to discuss how to make documents accessible (tagged pdf is one options but not beforehand the nicest approach) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Accessibility and Tagged PDF/A, Footnotes showing 2016-01-18 21:38 ` Hans Hagen @ 2016-01-18 22:07 ` Alan BRASLAU 2016-01-19 8:24 ` Ursula Hermann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2016-01-18 22:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 22:38:56 +0100 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > On 1/18/2016 8:26 PM, Ursula Hermann wrote: > > Hello Hans and Dr. Dominik Klein! > > > > Today I found a Thread about Accessibility from last Juli! > > > > > > I work at the University in Vienna, and I work with students, who > > are blind or have a see handicap. So I read this Thread today. > > > > Last year in Summer I began to read the manual of Context. > > > > I have a question to this discussion, it is nessesary to know: How > > can footnotes be shown in the PDF/A tagged PDF, in a text? > > > > What I mean something, that shows in the Text the text from the > > footnote, when I click on the number from the footnote. > > > > > > Maybe with a tooltip? Or what is the right way? Which command? > > tooltips are widgets and not part of the document text stream .. so i > think they don't count as accessibility feature (but i might be wrong) > > maybe someone else on the list knows > > i wonder, as you use tex you can consider generating an additional > document (larger fontsize, better readable fonts, inline notes, maybe > other enhancements), pop ups etc > > it'a anyway interesting to discuss how to make documents accessible > (tagged pdf is one options but not beforehand the nicest approach) Hello, It is an interesting comment going beyond the simple (yet important) question of accessibility: how in general should items such as footnotes be handled in alternative, non-printed formats, where the notion of a "page" becomes fuzzy? With ConTeXt, it is easy to have such "footnotes" placed at the bottom of the formatted page, at the end of a section, chapter or book. It is also easy for them to have hyperlinks to jump to their location and then back to the reference text. Tooltips and other widgets, as Hans says, depend on the display client and not on the document - there are many things that might work with one reader (i.e. Adobe) and not on others. Addressing the questions of accessibility, in particular for blind or otherwise vision-impaired readers, one can design an appropriate action or model for the document. Footnotes and endnotes are useful tools for a writer. Like indexes, bibliographic references, or floating figures or tables, these are concepts that might require some thought as to how they might be employed in an ebook or by an audio reader. This would make an interesting topic of discussion for our next ConTeXt users' meeting. Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Accessibility and Tagged PDF/A, Footnotes showing 2016-01-18 22:07 ` Alan BRASLAU @ 2016-01-19 8:24 ` Ursula Hermann 2016-01-19 15:17 ` Alan BRASLAU 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Ursula Hermann @ 2016-01-19 8:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users' Hello Alan! Yes, i know, it is because I am working with Word until now, but would like to change to ConTeXt. If I set there a footnote, then there comes an pop-up window with the text. A Discussion would be very interesting. Thanks a lot. Ursula Hermann -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ntg-context [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl] Im Auftrag von Alan BRASLAU Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2016 23:08 Cc: ntg-context@ntg.nl Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Accessibility and Tagged PDF/A, Footnotes showing On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 22:38:56 +0100 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > On 1/18/2016 8:26 PM, Ursula Hermann wrote: > > Hello Hans and Dr. Dominik Klein! > > > > Today I found a Thread about Accessibility from last Juli! > > > > > > I work at the University in Vienna, and I work with students, who > > are blind or have a see handicap. So I read this Thread today. > > > > Last year in Summer I began to read the manual of Context. > > > > I have a question to this discussion, it is nessesary to know: How > > can footnotes be shown in the PDF/A tagged PDF, in a text? > > > > What I mean something, that shows in the Text the text from the > > footnote, when I click on the number from the footnote. > > > > > > Maybe with a tooltip? Or what is the right way? Which command? > > tooltips are widgets and not part of the document text stream .. so i > think they don't count as accessibility feature (but i might be wrong) > > maybe someone else on the list knows > > i wonder, as you use tex you can consider generating an additional > document (larger fontsize, better readable fonts, inline notes, maybe > other enhancements), pop ups etc > > it'a anyway interesting to discuss how to make documents accessible > (tagged pdf is one options but not beforehand the nicest approach) Hello, It is an interesting comment going beyond the simple (yet important) question of accessibility: how in general should items such as footnotes be handled in alternative, non-printed formats, where the notion of a "page" becomes fuzzy? With ConTeXt, it is easy to have such "footnotes" placed at the bottom of the formatted page, at the end of a section, chapter or book. It is also easy for them to have hyperlinks to jump to their location and then back to the reference text. Tooltips and other widgets, as Hans says, depend on the display client and not on the document - there are many things that might work with one reader (i.e. Adobe) and not on others. Addressing the questions of accessibility, in particular for blind or otherwise vision-impaired readers, one can design an appropriate action or model for the document. Footnotes and endnotes are useful tools for a writer. Like indexes, bibliographic references, or floating figures or tables, these are concepts that might require some thought as to how they might be employed in an ebook or by an audio reader. This would make an interesting topic of discussion for our next ConTeXt users' meeting. Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Accessibility and Tagged PDF/A, Footnotes showing 2016-01-19 8:24 ` Ursula Hermann @ 2016-01-19 15:17 ` Alan BRASLAU 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2016-01-19 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ursula Hermann; +Cc: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users' On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:24:58 +0100 Ursula Hermann <ursula.hermann@univie.ac.at> wrote: > Yes, i know, it is because I am working with Word until now, but > would like to change to ConTeXt. If I set there a footnote, then > there comes an pop-up window with the text. The pop-up appears under Adobe reader for Word/PDF exports, I imagine. This would not be portable to other readers which is why Hans suggests that one cannot count on this behavior. > A Discussion would be very interesting. The 10th ConTeXt Meeting will take place on September 25-October 1, 2016 at Het Doevehuis in Kalenberg, about 35 km from Hasselt, the Netherlands. 20th anniversary! Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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