* Re: Again: How to make empty pages by default empty?
@ 2003-09-22 20:43 Steffen Wolfrum
2003-09-23 12:25 ` Willi Egger
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2003-09-22 20:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
The following message was sent by "Willi Egger" <w.egger@boede.nl> on
Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:16:01 +0200.
> Hi Steffen,
>
> From: "Steffen Wolfrum" <wlfrm@estfiles.de>
> Subject: [NTG-context] Again: How to make empty pages by default empty?
>
>
> > > > So I don't have to post so many (unanswered) questions any more...
> > >
> > > Posting ConTeXt questions is fun, so don't stop doing this.
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> > Alright! So maybe I am also allowed to send again
> > one of my favorite problems from last week?
> >
> > Still unanswered. Still unsolved. Very interesting!
> >
> > To whom it may concern - don't hesitate to post an answer...
> >
> > Thank you all,
> > Steffen
> >
> >
> >
> > Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > At 10:05 19/09/2003 +0200, you wrote:
> > > >Hi Steffen,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > \definepagebreak
> > > > > [chapter]
> > > > > [yes,header,right]
> > >
> > > \definepagebreak
> > > [chapter]
> > > [empty,header,right]
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but that doesn't work.
> >
> > When changed the minimal example to...
> >
> > \definepagebreak
> > [chapter]
> > [empty,header,right]
> >
> > \setuphead
> > [chapter]
> > [page=chapter,]
> >
> > \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
> >
> > \starttext
> > \startfrontmatter
> > \completecontent
> > \stopfrontmatter
> > \startbodymatter
> > \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
> > \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
> > \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
> > \stopbodymatter
> >
> > \stoptext
> >
> >
> > ... we have page numbers on (empty) page number 4, 18 and 19!
> >
> > Plus there are two strange empty empty pages before the TOC?!
>
> If you want to get a doublesided tzpeset document you should add also
> \setuplayout[location=doublesided].
>
> I am not shure, whether the following is correct!
>
> Empty pages at the beginning:
>
> You start the frontmatters with the \completecontent. - I could imagine
> that
> this is a consequence of the fact that the TOC starts always on a righthand
> page. - Thus at the moment of \startbodymatter tex is already on the first
> page. But after identifying the \completecontents command will create two
> page breaks in order to be able to typeset the TOC on a righthand page.
>
> Pagenumbers on empty pages before starting a new chapter
>
> Chapters begin on a right hand page. If the lefthand page is empty, there
> is
> correctly still the pagenumber. I do not know whether it is possible to
> check whether the page before a new chapter is completely empty.
Hi Willi, I hope that it can't be to difficult:
Cause the page before a new chapter is actually completely empty JUST
BECAUSE it is generated by (Con)TeX(t) - for chapters should begin on
a right page.
So I only ask for empty pages (without pagenumbers) that are
generated by (Con)TeX(t).
That's not possible in ConTeXt?
Steffen
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread* Re: Re: Again: How to make empty pages by default empty?
2003-09-22 20:43 Again: How to make empty pages by default empty? Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2003-09-23 12:25 ` Willi Egger
2003-09-27 11:15 ` Steffen Wolfrum
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Willi Egger @ 2003-09-23 12:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steffen Wolfrum" <wlfrm@estfiles.de>
To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:43 PM
Subject: [NTG-context] Re: Again: How to make empty pages by default empty?
> The following message was sent by "Willi Egger" <w.egger@boede.nl> on
> Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:16:01 +0200.
>
> > Hi Steffen,
> >
> > From: "Steffen Wolfrum" <wlfrm@estfiles.de>
> > Subject: [NTG-context] Again: How to make empty pages by default empty?
> >
> >
> > > > > So I don't have to post so many (unanswered) questions any
more...
> > > >
> > > > Posting ConTeXt questions is fun, so don't stop doing this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alright! So maybe I am also allowed to send again
> > > one of my favorite problems from last week?
> > >
> > > Still unanswered. Still unsolved. Very interesting!
> > >
> > > To whom it may concern - don't hesitate to post an answer...
> > >
> > > Thank you all,
> > > Steffen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> > >
> > > > At 10:05 19/09/2003 +0200, you wrote:
> > > > >Hi Steffen,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > \definepagebreak
> > > > > > [chapter]
> > > > > > [yes,header,right]
> > > >
> > > > \definepagebreak
> > > > [chapter]
> > > > [empty,header,right]
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry, but that doesn't work.
> > >
> > > When changed the minimal example to...
> > >
> > > \definepagebreak
> > > [chapter]
> > > [empty,header,right]
> > >
> > > \setuphead
> > > [chapter]
> > > [page=chapter,]
> > >
> > > \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
> > >
> > > \starttext
> > > \startfrontmatter
> > > \completecontent
> > > \stopfrontmatter
> > > \startbodymatter
> > > \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
> > > \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
> > > \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
> > > \stopbodymatter
> > >
> > > \stoptext
> > >
> > >
> > > ... we have page numbers on (empty) page number 4, 18 and 19!
> > >
> > > Plus there are two strange empty empty pages before the TOC?!
> >
> > If you want to get a doublesided tzpeset document you should add also
> > \setuplayout[location=doublesided].
> >
> > I am not shure, whether the following is correct!
> >
> > Empty pages at the beginning:
> >
> > You start the frontmatters with the \completecontent. - I could imagine
> > that
> > this is a consequence of the fact that the TOC starts always on a
righthand
> > page. - Thus at the moment of \startbodymatter tex is already on the
first
> > page. But after identifying the \completecontents command will create
two
> > page breaks in order to be able to typeset the TOC on a righthand page.
> >
> > Pagenumbers on empty pages before starting a new chapter
> >
> > Chapters begin on a right hand page. If the lefthand page is empty,
there
> > is
> > correctly still the pagenumber. I do not know whether it is possible to
> > check whether the page before a new chapter is completely empty.
>
>
>
> Hi Willi, I hope that it can't be to difficult:
>
> Cause the page before a new chapter is actually completely empty JUST
> BECAUSE it is generated by (Con)TeX(t) - for chapters should begin on
> a right page.
>
> So I only ask for empty pages (without pagenumbers) that are
> generated by (Con)TeX(t).
>
> That's not possible in ConTeXt?
>
> Steffen
Try the following:
\definepagebreak
[chapter]
[yes,header,right] % yes instead of emtpy taken from the sources
page-ini.tex line 1611
\setuphead
[chapter]
[page=chapter]
\setuppagenumbering[alternative={doublesided,marginedge}]
\setuplayout[location=doublesided]
This worsk for me, if no \startfrontmatter and \startbodymatter and and the
\stop... equivalents are used.
If I use the \startfrontmatter cum suis then there is a numbered page after
the TOC and the last page if even and empty is also numbered. Inside the
\startbodymatter \stopbodymatter the emptypages at new chapters are empty
pages with an empty header, thus no pagenumber.
Instead o placeing \completecontents you might want to use \placecontent
which prevents the empty pages discussed before.
Willi
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread* Re: Again: How to make empty pages by default empty?
2003-09-23 12:25 ` Willi Egger
@ 2003-09-27 11:15 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2003-09-28 7:59 ` Patrick Gundlach
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2003-09-27 11:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi Hans,
may I also ask you for an idea or a statement on this old problem?
It is about numbered empty pages that are generated when using a front-, body-, backmatter project structure.
Thank you,
Steffen
----- Original Message -----
>> > > Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > At 10:05 19/09/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>> > > > >Hi Steffen,
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > > \definepagebreak
>> > > > > > [chapter]
>> > > > > > [yes,header,right]
>> > > >
>> > > > \definepagebreak
>> > > > [chapter]
>> > > > [empty,header,right]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sorry, but that doesn't work.
>> > >
>> > > When changed the minimal example to...
>> > >
>> > > \definepagebreak
>> > > [chapter]
>> > > [empty,header,right]
>> > >
>> > > \setuphead
>> > > [chapter]
>> > > [page=chapter,]
>> > >
>> > > \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
>> > >
>> > > \starttext
>> > > \startfrontmatter
>> > > \completecontent
>> > > \stopfrontmatter
>> > > \startbodymatter
>> > > \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
>> > > \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
>> > > \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
>> > > \stopbodymatter
>> > >
>> > > \stoptext
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ... we have page numbers on (empty) page number 4, 18 and 19!
>> > >
>> > > Plus there are two strange empty empty pages before the TOC?!
>> >
>> > If you want to get a doublesided tzpeset document you should add also
>> > \setuplayout[location=doublesided].
>> >
>> > I am not shure, whether the following is correct!
>> >
>> > Empty pages at the beginning:
>> >
>> > You start the frontmatters with the \completecontent. - I could imagine
>> > that
>> > this is a consequence of the fact that the TOC starts always on a
>righthand
>> > page. - Thus at the moment of \startbodymatter tex is already on the
>first
>> > page. But after identifying the \completecontents command will create
>two
>> > page breaks in order to be able to typeset the TOC on a righthand page.
>> >
>> > Pagenumbers on empty pages before starting a new chapter
>> >
>> > Chapters begin on a right hand page. If the lefthand page is empty,
>there
>> > is
>> > correctly still the pagenumber. I do not know whether it is possible to
>> > check whether the page before a new chapter is completely empty.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Willi, I hope that it can't be to difficult:
>>
>> Cause the page before a new chapter is actually completely empty JUST
>> BECAUSE it is generated by (Con)TeX(t) - for chapters should begin on
>> a right page.
>>
>> So I only ask for empty pages (without pagenumbers) that are
>> generated by (Con)TeX(t).
>>
>> That's not possible in ConTeXt?
>>
>> Steffen
>
>Try the following:
>
>\definepagebreak
> [chapter]
> [yes,header,right] % yes instead of emtpy taken from the sources
>page-ini.tex line 1611
>\setuphead
> [chapter]
> [page=chapter]
>
>\setuppagenumbering[alternative={doublesided,marginedge}]
>\setuplayout[location=doublesided]
>
>This worsk for me, if no \startfrontmatter and \startbodymatter and and the
>\stop... equivalents are used.
>If I use the \startfrontmatter cum suis then there is a numbered page after
>the TOC and the last page if even and empty is also numbered. Inside the
>\startbodymatter \stopbodymatter the emptypages at new chapters are empty
>pages with an empty header, thus no pagenumber.
>
>Instead o placeing \completecontents you might want to use \placecontent
>which prevents the empty pages discussed before.
>
>Willi
>
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread* Re: Again: How to make empty pages by default empty?
2003-09-27 11:15 ` Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2003-09-28 7:59 ` Patrick Gundlach
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2003-09-28 7:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi,
Steffen Wolfrum <wlfrm@estfiles.de> writes:
> may I also ask you for an idea or a statement on this old problem?
>
> It is about numbered empty pages that are generated when using a
> front-, body-, backmatter project structure.
Have you tried the suggestions from willi? What is the current state
of the problem? Could you post your efforts so far?
Please avoid top posts.
Patrick
--
You are your own rainbow!
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