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(Tom) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:10:00 -0400 Message-ID: <006001cbe283$ccb46a40$661d3ec0$@com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1300133437 5596 80.91.229.12 (14 Mar 2011 20:10:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:10:37 +0000 (UTC) To: Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Mar 14 21:10:32 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PzE64-0007eu-En for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:10:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69549CAB2A; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:10:31 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id fMLeYdp+0NI1; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:10:27 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CF6CAADF; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:10:27 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF38FCAAF0 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:10:25 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id u9jX4hiQ4tMi for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:10:23 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter3-ams.mf.surf.net (filter3-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.71]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12285CAAD7 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:10:23 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp1.ctinetworks.com (smtp1.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.208]) by filter3-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p2EKAK6P011658 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:10:22 +0100 Original-Received: from TomPC (dsl-206-251-4-126.dsl0.crls.pa.net [206.251.4.126]) by smtp1.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44752585993 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:10:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcvieWvvAlWTdhRJSsWHR531g3xNEwAA79DwAAGkEHA= Content-Language: en-us X-ctinetworks-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ctinetworks-MailScanner-ID: 44752585993.A3F79 X-ctinetworks-VirusCheck: Found to be clean X-ctinetworks-SpamCheck: X-ctinetworks-Watermark: 1300997419.89976@L14pY+xnIKBe8Bm198IfqA X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=205.166.61.208; country=US; region=PA; city=Mechanicsburg; latitude=40.2134; longitude=-77.0098; metrocode=566; areacode=717; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=40.2134,-77.0098&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0cEj8aljz - f29b1589db09 - 20110314 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.71 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:67003 Archived-At: Thank you for explaining this, Mojca. Knowing that it will be fixed sometime before September gives me hope. In the meantime, I think I have a workaround that, although awkward, will create a correct PDF. What I will do is create a PDF that is correct except for the TOC that Context generates, create a correct TOC PDF with another tool, then create a new PDF with the good pages from the original PDF and the bad TOC replaced by the good one. Is there a list of known bugs somewhere? That would eliminate a lot of frustration and your having to deal with problems that are already being handled. Is it possible for one to create a new font style? For example, if I have a need for two different sanserif fonts (Iwona and Helvetica for the sake of argument) to be used sporadically throughout a document. It would be nice to be able to do something like \ss1 to select the first one and \ss2 to select the second one. \ss to select the first one and \aa (or two other letters) to select the other. Thanks, Tom Benjey 717-258-9733 voice 717-243-0074 fax blog: www.TomBenjey.com -----Original Message----- From: Mojca Miklavec [mailto:mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 2:56 PM To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Cc: Tom Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Is Minimals ready for non-developers to use? (Tom) On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 14:22, Tom wrote: > Dalyoung, > > To the contrary, You have been most helpful. Installing the latest version > of Minimals worked fine but I wonder why they even advertise that there is a > stable version to be downloaded. When minimals were created, a new "stable" version was released approximately once a week. It used to be a problem to get the beta version working since beta often depended on a new version of luatex (which was also released every two/three weeks, but often not synchronized with ConTeXt releases). Now Hans only releases a stable version twice a year or so. The problem is that minimals have not been designed with that in mind and there is only a single version of texmfcnf.lua and only a single version of luatex binary. Consequently minimals can only work either with beta or with current when the two versions diverge, but not with both and beta has priority. I need to change the way the distribution works entirely, from the grounds up (I have many parts ready, but not ready to publish yet). An easy solution would be to create another mirror and only provide a working current version there. > I guess they mean a stable version of MKII. > I had the same experience that you had with the Introduction not showing up > in the TOC. Do you know how to report a bug? You don't need to report it. I'm aware of that flaw. I could do a temporary fix, but I would prefer to fix it properly. I'm sorry that it alredy took me several years to address those issues, but I promise to fix it before the conference. Properly. You also need to keep in mind that even though it is advertized as stable, bugs won't be fixed (many project often have at least two branches of development - one for fixing the released version and one for real development; the released version should get bugfixes, but in context development that doesn't and won't happen unless some volunteer starts carefully checking the new code and only applies bugfixes to the stable version). So most people that use ConTeXt actively need bugfixes very often and the only way to get the bugs fixed is to use the latest version. Well, latest version comes with its own bugs, but at least you have a chance to get them fixed quickly. 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