\hyphenation problems

\hyphenation problems

[Tom]

When I wrap text around the right side of a figure, the justification along
the right margin is a bit ragged in a couple of places. One problem is that
it can't hyphenate cfbdatawarehouse.com, even when I provide the hyphenation
via a \hyphenation command.  The malhyphenation error seems to be caused by
the embedded dot.

Another line ends with last letter of the last word on the line (head)
extending into the margin. That word cannot be hyphenated. How does on get
the justification to work correctly in such cases?

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Re: \hyphenation problems

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 22.03.10 02:48, schrieb Tom:
> When I wrap text around the right side of a figure, the justification along
> the right margin is a bit ragged in a couple of places. One problem is that
> it can't hyphenate cfbdatawarehouse.com, even when I provide the hyphenation
> via a \hyphenation command.  The malhyphenation error seems to be caused by
> the embedded dot.
>
> Another line ends with last letter of the last word on the line (head)
> extending into the margin. That word cannot be hyphenated. How does on get
> the justification to work correctly in such cases?
>    
\starttext
{\definedfont[Serif sa 8]^^45^^78^^61^^6d^^70^^6c^^65^^21}
\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: \hyphenation problems

[Tom]

I am very confused. Inserting 
{\definedfont[Serif sa 8]^^45^^78^^61^^6d^^70^^6c^^65^^21} results in
"Example" in very large type being placed in my output and seems not to
affect the hyphenation or justification.

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Subject: Re: [NTG-context] \hyphenation problems

Am 22.03.10 02:48, schrieb Tom:
> When I wrap text around the right side of a figure, the justification
along
> the right margin is a bit ragged in a couple of places. One problem is
that
> it can't hyphenate cfbdatawarehouse.com, even when I provide the
hyphenation
> via a \hyphenation command.  The malhyphenation error seems to be caused
by
> the embedded dot.
>
> Another line ends with last letter of the last word on the line (head)
> extending into the margin. That word cannot be hyphenated. How does on get
> the justification to work correctly in such cases?
>    
\starttext
{\definedfont[Serif sa 8]^^45^^78^^61^^6d^^70^^6c^^65^^21}
\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: \hyphenation problems

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Mar 22, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Tom wrote:

> I am very confused. Inserting 
> {\definedfont[Serif sa 8]^^45^^78^^61^^6d^^70^^6c^^65^^21} results in
> "Example" in very large type being placed in my output and seems not to
> affect the hyphenation or justification.

I think Wolfgang was trying to steer you to this: http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=minxampl

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Re: \hyphenation problems

[Tom]

Boy, am I thick. Here is an example that demonstrates the problem. You
should be able to see that cfbdatawarehouse.com did not hyphenate. To get
the malhyphenation error, it is necessary to uncomment the \hyphenation
command. Changing the width of the figure to 2.0 inches will demonstrate
additional ragged right problems. An unrelated issue is that the leading for
the caption is larger than I would like.

\definepapersize[6X9][width=6.14in, height=9.21in]
\setuppapersize[6X9][6X9]

\setuplayout[
 width=middle,
 height=middle,
 backspace=.75 in,
 topspace=.5 in,
 header=.25 in,
 footer=0 in,
 headerdistance=.25 in,
 footerdistance=0 in,
 bottomspace=0.9 in,
 cutspace=.875 in,
]
\setupcaptions[location=bottom,number=no,style=rm,align=middle]

%\hyphenation{cfb-da-ta-ware-house-.-com}

\starttext

\placefigure [left]
 {{\centerline {\switchtobodyfont[9pt] Joel Wheelock in track uniform}} 
  {\centerline {\switchtobodyfont[9pt]{\it Cumberland County Historical}}}
  {\centerline {\switchtobodyfont[9pt]{\it Society, Carlisle, PA}}}}
 {\externalfigure[dummy][width=1.8 in]}


On the whole he was a good coach and deserves praise for developing such a
fine squad out of so many raw recruits, for we must remember that only a few
of our last year's Varsity men came back this year. The school's yearbook
recorded 1917 as a 3--4 season but {\it cfbdatawarehouse.com} includes two
more games, a forfeit by Temple and a 73--0 thrashing of Millersburg, giving
Wheelock a 5--4 record for his only year as a head coach.

\stoptext

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On Mar 22, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Tom wrote:

> I am very confused. Inserting 
> {\definedfont[Serif sa 8]^^45^^78^^61^^6d^^70^^6c^^65^^21} results in
> "Example" in very large type being placed in my output and seems not to
> affect the hyphenation or justification.

I think Wolfgang was trying to steer you to this:
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=minxampl

Thomas
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Re: \hyphenation problems

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Mar 22, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Tom wrote:

> Boy, am I thick. Here is an example that demonstrates the problem. You
> should be able to see that cfbdatawarehouse.com did not hyphenate. To get
> the malhyphenation error, it is necessary to uncomment the \hyphenation
> command. Changing the width of the figure to 2.0 inches will demonstrate
> additional ragged right problems. An unrelated issue is that the leading for
> the caption is larger than I would like.

:-) Not sure if I can solve all your problems, but here are a few pointers:

1. for the url, you could use a command which provides a url that can be hyphenated. Surprisingly enough, it is called \hyphenatedurl{}.

2. TeX doesn't hyphenate in certain situations, e.g., when a word is already hyphenated (and apparently when it contains a period). In ConTeXt, you can wrap these symbols into ||, and TeX will happily hyphenate (see section 7.8 of cont-eni). In your case, you can write cfbdatawarehouse|.|com

3. Your caption: well, since you do not apply the bodyfontswitch to all of the lines, but to each line individually, you never give ConTeXt a chance to calculate the interlinespace. You shouldn't format individual lines, but use something like this:

\setupcaptions[style={\switchtobodyfont[9pt]},
	       align=center]

However, I was surprised to see that the caption was not centered below the image, so I ended up with

\placefigure [left]
{\framed[align=middle,frame=off]{Joel Wheelock in track uniform \\
{\it Cumberland County Historical \\
Society, Carlisle, PA}}}
{\externalfigure[dummy][width=2.2 in]}

This works, but seems like a kludge. Anything better?

4. As for words sticking out in the margin: TeX does its best, but sometimes, no good line breaks can be found. A certain word processor will then go on and stretch your interword space and even interletter space within words. TeX doesn't do that and will let words stick out to warn you. If you don't want to / can't edit the text, you'll have to allow it to be less strict. You should read about \setuptolerance in cont-eni, section 4.13.

HTH

Thomas

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Re: \hyphenation problems

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 22.03.10 16:03, schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz:
> 4. As for words sticking out in the margin: TeX does its best, but sometimes, no good line breaks can be found. A certain word processor will then go on and stretch your interword space and even interletter space within words. TeX doesn't do that and will let words stick out to warn you. If you don't want to / can't edit the text, you'll have to allow it to be less strict. You should read about \setuptolerance in cont-eni, section 4.13.
>    
You can tell TeX to stretch the interword space, version 3 introduced
the \emergencystretch comand, you can use it in ConTeXt with

   \setupalign[stretch]

or

   \setuptolerance[horizontal,stretch]

In combination with protrusion and font expansion this prevents nearly
all overfull boxes in the running text (at least for me).

Wolfgang

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Re: \hyphenation problems

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 22.03.10 16:03, schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz:
> 3. Your caption: well, since you do not apply the bodyfontswitch to all of the lines, but to each line individually, you never give ConTeXt a chance to calculate the interlinespace. You shouldn't format individual lines, but use something like this:
>
> \setupcaptions[style={\switchtobodyfont[9pt]},
> 	       align=center]
>
> However, I was surprised to see that the caption was not centered below the image, so I ended up with
>
> \placefigure [left]
> {\framed[align=middle,frame=off]{Joel Wheelock in track uniform \\
> {\it Cumberland County Historical \\
> Society, Carlisle, PA}}}
> {\externalfigure[dummy][width=2.2 in]}
>
> This works, but seems like a kludge. Anything better?
>    
\setupcaptions
[number=no,
style={\switchtobodyfont[9pt]\raggedcenter}]

\starttext

\placefigure
[left]
{Joel Wheelock in track uniform\crlf
\it Cumberland County Historical\crlf
Society, Carlisle, PA}
{\externalfigure[dummy][width=1.8in]}

On the whole he was a good coach and deserves praise for developing such a
fine squad out of so many raw recruits, for we must remember that only a few
of our last year's Varsity men came back this year. The school's yearbook
recorded 1917 as a 3–4 season but {\it cfbdatawarehouse.com} includes two
more games, a forfeit by Temple and a 73–0 thrashing of Millersburg, giving
Wheelock a 5–4 record for his only year as a head coach.

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: \hyphenation problems

[Peter Rolf]

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Am 22.03.2010 15:16, schrieb Tom:
> Boy, am I thick. Here is an example that demonstrates the problem. You
> should be able to see that cfbdatawarehouse.com did not hyphenate. To get
> the malhyphenation error, it is necessary to uncomment the \hyphenation
> command. Changing the width of the figure to 2.0 inches will demonstrate
> additional ragged right problems. An unrelated issue is that the leading for
> the caption is larger than I would like.
> 

same topic, different example. look at the attached picture to see how
the original text 'rgb(255,255,255)' was broken. quite funny :)

hyphenation has its limitations. i finally used a simple macro to get
the desired result.

\def\RGB(#1,#2,#3){\bgroup\nohyphens rgb\allowbreak
(#1,\allowbreak#2,\allowbreak#3)\egroup}


best wishes,

Peter

> \definepapersize[6X9][width=6.14in, height=9.21in]
> \setuppapersize[6X9][6X9]
> 
> \setuplayout[
>  width=middle,
>  height=middle,
>  backspace=.75 in,
>  topspace=.5 in,
>  header=.25 in,
>  footer=0 in,
>  headerdistance=.25 in,
>  footerdistance=0 in,
>  bottomspace=0.9 in,
>  cutspace=.875 in,
> ]
> \setupcaptions[location=bottom,number=no,style=rm,align=middle]
> 
> %\hyphenation{cfb-da-ta-ware-house-.-com}
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \placefigure [left]
>  {{\centerline {\switchtobodyfont[9pt] Joel Wheelock in track uniform}} 
>   {\centerline {\switchtobodyfont[9pt]{\it Cumberland County Historical}}}
>   {\centerline {\switchtobodyfont[9pt]{\it Society, Carlisle, PA}}}}
>  {\externalfigure[dummy][width=1.8 in]}
> 
> 
> On the whole he was a good coach and deserves praise for developing such a
> fine squad out of so many raw recruits, for we must remember that only a few
> of our last year's Varsity men came back this year. The school's yearbook
> recorded 1917 as a 3--4 season but {\it cfbdatawarehouse.com} includes two
> more games, a forfeit by Temple and a 73--0 thrashing of Millersburg, giving
> Wheelock a 5--4 record for his only year as a head coach.
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> Tom Benjey
> 717-258-9733 voice
> 717-243-0074 fax
> Twitter: @TomBenjey
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl] On
> Behalf Of Thomas A. Schmitz
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:14 AM
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] \hyphenation problems
> 
> 
> On Mar 22, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Tom wrote:
> 
>> I am very confused. Inserting 
>> {\definedfont[Serif sa 8]^^45^^78^^61^^6d^^70^^6c^^65^^21} results in
>> "Example" in very large type being placed in my output and seems not to
>> affect the hyphenation or justification.
> 
> I think Wolfgang was trying to steer you to this:
> http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=minxampl
> 
> Thomas
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Re: \hyphenation problems

[Tom]

As the Pennsylvania Dutch say, Wonderful good. The captions are now fine
except when used in combinations of two images. Then the font and spacing is
the same as for the text. The \setupcaption seems to be ignored for
combinations.

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On Mar 22, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Tom wrote:

> Boy, am I thick. Here is an example that demonstrates the problem. You
> should be able to see that cfbdatawarehouse.com did not hyphenate. To get
> the malhyphenation error, it is necessary to uncomment the \hyphenation
> command. Changing the width of the figure to 2.0 inches will demonstrate
> additional ragged right problems. An unrelated issue is that the leading
for
> the caption is larger than I would like.

:-) Not sure if I can solve all your problems, but here are a few pointers:

1. for the url, you could use a command which provides a url that can be
hyphenated. Surprisingly enough, it is called \hyphenatedurl{}.

2. TeX doesn't hyphenate in certain situations, e.g., when a word is already
hyphenated (and apparently when it contains a period). In ConTeXt, you can
wrap these symbols into ||, and TeX will happily hyphenate (see section 7.8
of cont-eni). In your case, you can write cfbdatawarehouse|.|com

3. Your caption: well, since you do not apply the bodyfontswitch to all of
the lines, but to each line individually, you never give ConTeXt a chance to
calculate the interlinespace. You shouldn't format individual lines, but use
something like this:

\setupcaptions[style={\switchtobodyfont[9pt]},
	       align=center]

However, I was surprised to see that the caption was not centered below the
image, so I ended up with

\placefigure [left]
{\framed[align=middle,frame=off]{Joel Wheelock in track uniform \\
{\it Cumberland County Historical \\
Society, Carlisle, PA}}}
{\externalfigure[dummy][width=2.2 in]}

This works, but seems like a kludge. Anything better?

4. As for words sticking out in the margin: TeX does its best, but
sometimes, no good line breaks can be found. A certain word processor will
then go on and stretch your interword space and even interletter space
within words. TeX doesn't do that and will let words stick out to warn you.
If you don't want to / can't edit the text, you'll have to allow it to be
less strict. You should read about \setuptolerance in cont-eni, section
4.13.

HTH

Thomas

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