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Wolfgang (off-list),

It is simply wrong to say that \italicface as defined gives only \it or 
\bi as a result. Look at the definition. If the current fontalternative 
is it \it it will give a \tf result. It is sensitive to the current 
state in a similar way that \em and \emph are, but it will always give 
an italic or roman result.

-- 
Rik

On 9/26/2021 18:37, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote:
> Rik Kabel via ntg-context schrieb am 27.09.2021 um 00:20:
>>
>> So, I am asking whether, in places where folks often use 
>> style=italic, it might be better to consider style=italicface.
>>
>> Bug report: \meaning\italicface gives:
>>
>>     protected macro:\relax \ifx \fontalternative \s!tf \it \orelse
>>     \ifx \fontalternative
>>     \s!bf \bi \else \tf \fi
>>
>> This leaves out the transition from bi to bf. That transition is done 
>> by \emph, but \emph may give slanted while \italicface is always italic.
>>
>
> The \italicface command uses either \it or \bi as result but it never 
> result in upright text and the "italic" in the name tells you this, 
> there are commands (e.g. \boldface) with similar results. To get a 
> slanted style you have to use the \slantedface command.
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
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    <p>Wolfgang (off-list),</p>
    <p>It is simply wrong to say that \italicface as defined gives only
      \it or \bi as a result. Look at the definition. If the current
      fontalternative is it \it it will give a \tf result. It is
      sensitive to the current state in a similar way that \em and \emph
      are, but it will always give an italic or roman result.</p>
    <p>-- <br>
      Rik<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/26/2021 18:37, Wolfgang Schuster
      via ntg-context wrote:<br>
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      <span>Rik Kabel via ntg-context schrieb am 27.09.2021 um 00:20:</span><br>
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        cite="mid:abf4c191-ad5f-8165-372c-904fd16769d4@rik.users.panix.com">
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        <p>So, I am asking whether, in places where folks often use
          style=italic, it might be better to consider style=italicface.</p>
        <p>Bug report: \meaning\italicface gives:<br>
        </p>
        <blockquote><font face="monospace">protected macro:\relax \ifx
            \fontalternative \s!tf \it \orelse \ifx \fontalternative<br>
            \s!bf \bi \else \tf \fi<br>
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        <p>This leaves out the transition from bi to bf. That transition
          is done by \emph, but \emph may give slanted while \italicface
          is always italic.</p>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      The \italicface command uses either \it or \bi as result but it
      never result in upright text and the "italic" in the name tells
      you this, there are commands (e.g. \boldface) with similar
      results. To get a slanted style you have to use the \slantedface
      command.<br>
      <br>
      Wolfgang<br>
      <br>
      <br>
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