From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/23804 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Arnold Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Showing the page layout Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:05:24 -0800 Message-ID: <03913EE3-AD37-4489-9E4C-CAF6D036D232@northcoast.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1132967273 10709 80.91.229.2 (26 Nov 2005 01:07:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Nov 26 02:07:52 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EfoWc-0001JG-4C for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:06:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF376128A0; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:06:45 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15565-01; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:06:39 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897F5128A2; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:06:39 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32D7128A2 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:06:37 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15515-03 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:06:35 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from borg.inreach.com (mail.northcoast.com [209.142.2.71]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id CD69D128A0 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:06:33 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: (qmail 30853 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 01:04:07 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO ?209.209.20.89?) (209.209.20.89) by mail.northcoast.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2005 01:04:07 -0000 Original-To: Context Mailing List List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:23804 Archived-At: All, I am aware of \showlayout and Patrick's \ShowLayout. In the case of the former, I have this in my environment file: \showlayout \definelayout[myCustomLayout][ header=30mm, footer=20mm, headerdistance=10mm, footerdistance=10mm, topspace=30mm, bottomspace=25mm, height=middle, leftmargin=25mm, rightmargin=30mm, leftmargindistance=10mm, rightmargindistance=10mm, backspace=50mm, width=middle, ] \setuplayout[myCustomLayout] But when I compile, the first page reveals these measurements: header=1.99962 cm %way off footer 1.99962 cm %acceptable headerdistance=0.0 cm %huh? footer distance=0.0 cm %huh? And the list goes on. These don't seem correct at all. Am I misusing this tool? I've been following the discussion on the beginner's manual with interest, biding my time to make my suggestions, thinking about it. One thing that really comes to mind is the huge amount of time I spent as a beginner trying to figure out what settings in the layout, like those above, actually do. And I found the tools for analyzing changes to these layout settings did not help very much. Something that could help the beginniner's manual very much would be a macro that layed the page out accurately with borders around the various areas (as in \showframe) that include all parts of the layout, even if they wander from the printed page. This would accelerate the learning curve for layout dramatically, if it were available. David