Wrong hyphenation when using patterns={fr,agr}

Wrong hyphenation when using patterns={fr,agr}

[josephcanedo]

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Dear all,

Combining patterns for french and ancien greek languages, I noticed there are wrong hyphenations at quote char as shown in following MWE.
Is this expected behavior by using the patterns= key in such a way ?

Using ConTeXt  ver: 2016.08.08 21:28 MKIV beta  fmt: 2016.8.9  int: english/English

--------

\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr, agr}]
\mainlanguage[fr]

\starttext

\hyphenatedword{l'homme}

\stoptext

---------

The above prints : l’-homme

If so, what is the alternative to specify hyphenation in a text containing both french and ancient greek (the minority) words.

Thanks a lot for advising,
Best regards

Joseph Canedo


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Re: Wrong hyphenation when using patterns={fr,agr}

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/9/2016 11:21 PM, josephcanedo@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Combining patterns for french and ancien greek languages, I noticed
> there are wrong hyphenations at quote char as shown in following MWE.
>
> Is this expected behavior by using the patterns= key in such a way ?

I see:

languages       > initialization > language 'fr', patterns 'agr,fr', 
discarding conflict (0-9)'(0-9)

so, the ' is used differently between the languages

>
>
> Using ConTeXt  ver: 2016.08.08 21:28 MKIV beta  fmt: 2016.8.9  int:
> english/English
>
>
>
> --------
>
>
>
> \setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr, agr}]
>
> \mainlanguage[fr]
>
>
>
> \starttext
>
>
>
> \hyphenatedword{l'homme}
>
>
>
> \stoptext
>
>
>
> ---------
>
>
>
> The above prints : l’-homme
>
>
>
> If so, what is the alternative to specify hyphenation in a text
> containing both french and ancient greek (the minority) words.
>
>
>
> Thanks a lot for advising,
>
> Best regards
>
>
>
> Joseph Canedo
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Wrong hyphenation when using patterns={fr,agr}

[Arthur Reutenauer]

> I see:
> 
> languages       > initialization > language 'fr', patterns 'agr,fr',
> discarding conflict (0-9)'(0-9)
> 
> so, the ' is used differently between the languages

  As I remember, French has 2'2 while Ancient Greek has 8'8 which are
not exactly contradictory ;-)  We could of course normalise all
languages to the same value (8 is probably sound); in the mean time
Joseph can edit his own copy of, say, the French patterns to replace the
2’s by 8’s.

	Best,

		Arthur
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Re: Wrong hyphenation when using patterns={fr,agr}

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/10/2016 2:15 PM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
>> I see:
>>
>> languages       > initialization > language 'fr', patterns 'agr,fr',
>> discarding conflict (0-9)'(0-9)
>>
>> so, the ' is used differently between the languages
>
>   As I remember, French has 2'2 while Ancient Greek has 8'8 which are
> not exactly contradictory ;-)  We could of course normalise all
> languages to the same value (8 is probably sound); in the mean time
> Joseph can edit his own copy of, say, the French patterns to replace the
> 2’s by 8’s.

some harmonization can indeed help there because one never know how the 
weights matter (8'8 vs 7'7 would be interesting indeed)

which remind me that the l/r min values should probably also be adapted 
in such cases

Hans

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Re: Wrong hyphenation when using patterns={fr,agr}

[Jean-Pierre Delange]

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Dears Joseph, Hans, Wolfgang, Arthur (and others),

As a French user of ConTeXt (current version: 2016.07.18 16:46, 
generally on Windows 10, time to time on Ubuntu), I am currently working 
on a book in French, with Greek quotations, and some rare occurences in 
other non-european languages. Before version: 2016.07.18, there were 
conflicts in hyphenations (with '\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr,agr}]' 
command) that Hans has fixed. But some disgraceful double dots [:] used 
to stay at the beginning of lines. With the 
'\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]' command, all end that end 
well. I found no more hyphenation issues, nor punctuation ones, even 
within text defined by \definefallbackfamily setup.

\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr,agr}]

\mainlanguage[fr]

\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]


Le 09/08/2016 à 23:21, josephcanedo@gmail.com a écrit :
>
> Dear all,
>
> Combining patterns for french and ancien greek languages, I noticed 
> there are wrong hyphenations at quote char as shown in following MWE.
>
> Is this expected behavior by using the patterns= key in such a way ?
>
> Using ConTeXt  ver: 2016.08.08 21:28 MKIV beta  fmt: 2016.8.9  int: 
> english/English
>
> --------
>
> \setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr, agr}]
>
> \mainlanguage[fr]
>
> \starttext
>
> \hyphenatedword{l'homme}
>
> \stoptext
>
> ---------
>
> The above prints : l’-homme
>
> If so, what is the alternative to specify hyphenation in a text 
> containing both french and ancient greek (the minority) words.
>
> Thanks a lot for advising,
>
> Best regards
>
> Joseph Canedo
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
>
> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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> archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
> wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
> ___________________________________________________________________________________


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