From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/41689 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Matthias Weber Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: distro info Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: <0727A59F-C55F-4049-83D7-4D743C5411ED@indiana.edu> References: <4F0FF6A1-CBA4-455D-80A5-785E59607044@di.unito.it> <181B45FF-223C-4CBB-8909-F4C9BB2E0C5B@fiee.net> <653FF68A-0886-4ECA-A87C-36D95138437A@uni-bonn.de> <6faad9f00806141159p59426d2el8095f02c07479d54@mail.gmail.com> <83e5fb980806141605q3a16086fs4fd1dc5e6f019e6c@mail.gmail.com> <1213490511.17464.27.camel@elbereth> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213493708 27051 80.91.229.12 (15 Jun 2008 01:35:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:35:08 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Jun 15 03:35:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K7h9r-0006B8-99 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:35:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951401FCA0; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:34:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13948-02-2; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:34:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466531FC57; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:34:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209CF1FC51 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:34:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13948-02 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:33:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from hartman.uits.indiana.edu (hartman.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.1.194]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FD31FC57 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:33:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-relay.iu.edu (logchain.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.1.77]) by hartman.uits.indiana.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8/IU Messaging Team) with ESMTP id m5F1XQwd030831 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:33:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.2] (dial-126-54.dial.indiana.edu [156.56.126.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail-relay.iu.edu (8.13.8/8.12.10/IUPO) with ESMTP id m5F1XJJh023385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:33:24 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <1213490511.17464.27.camel@elbereth> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:41689 Archived-At: For a while I thought it doesn't make sense for me to add to this thread, but there appears to be a complete ignorance among many power ConTeXt users about "abnormal" ways to use ConTeXt, and maybe even computers. I believe that there are keyboard people and mouse people. I myself am mostly a mouse person. Nevertheless, TeX has its appeal to me, besides its math typesetting competence. I love to formulate what I write while I am typing, and because I type slowly, this works quite well. I found that wysiwyg systems distract me from finding good formulations, because I pay too much attention to the layout while typing. After producing the content, it is quite easy to change the layout, and I like to do that, too -- but it is a totally different activity. I found ConTeXt to be more satisfying than LaTeX here, for several reasons. One of them is that if I want to achieve something new in LaTeX, I typically have to choose (carefullly) between several different packages, with the danger of breaking something else or to run into limitations. With ConTeXt, the "Garden" is a great resource, and if everything else fails, one can ask on this friendly list... No my confession: I hate digging around in the TeX tree, or compile new versions, etc. While I have done all this, sometimes successfully, sometimes not, I just don't need to do it often enough that I have become familiar enough with the pitfalls so that I can overcome potential problems. My memory is so bad that something I don't do at least weekly will just disappear, and I don't have enough time to exercise the unix installation yoga weekly. Hence I have been living with the TeXLive ConTeXt distribution(on a Mac) for a while, always afraid that the answer to a problem will be "just upgrade to the newest nightly built". I am sure I am not the only one. But I do not complain. ConTeXt is great, but has a long way to go until Hans and company can afford dealing with a larger user base -- when the volume of this mailing list doubles, it will become completely useless to new users. Matthias ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________