* latest beta and \seeindex
@ 2018-06-23 15:10 Alan Bowen
2018-06-24 19:57 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2018-06-23 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
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The latest beta (ConTeXt ver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV beta fmt: 2018.6.23)
processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expected.
In
\starttext
\index{sample}
\index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff}
%\index{fun}
\seeindex{fun}{sample} % now with heading (as it should be)
\seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown
\seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown
\seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown
\seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment} % not shown
\placeindex[n=1]
\stoptext
When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works only if it
is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same heading
fail as do x-refs to subheadings.
Alan
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread* Re: latest beta and \seeindex 2018-06-23 15:10 latest beta and \seeindex Alan Bowen @ 2018-06-24 19:57 ` Hans Hagen 2018-06-24 20:07 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-24 19:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Alan Bowen On 6/23/2018 5:10 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > The latest beta (ConTeXtver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV betafmt: 2018.6.23) > processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expected. > > In > > \starttext > \index{sample} > \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} > %\index{fun} > > \seeindex{fun}{sample}% now with heading (as it should be) > \seeindex{fun}{blah}% not shown > \seeindex{fun}{humbug}% not shown > \seeindex{fun}{bug}% not shown > > \seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment}% not shown > > \placeindex[n=1] > \stoptext > > When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works only if > it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same > heading fail as do x-refs to subheadings. sure, \seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be fooling your reader Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: latest beta and \seeindex 2018-06-24 19:57 ` Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-24 20:07 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-06-25 11:21 ` Alan Bowen ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-24 20:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2018-06-24 um 21:57 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>: > On 6/23/2018 5:10 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: >> The latest beta (ConTeXtver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV betafmt: 2018.6.23) processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expected. >> In >> \starttext >> \index{sample} >> \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} >> %\index{fun} >> \seeindex{fun}{sample}% now with heading (as it should be) >> \seeindex{fun}{blah}% not shown >> \seeindex{fun}{humbug}% not shown >> \seeindex{fun}{bug}% not shown >> \seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment}% not shown >> \placeindex[n=1] >> \stoptext >> When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works only if it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same heading fail as do x-refs to subheadings. > sure, > > \seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown > \seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown > \seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown > > as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be fooling your reader I understand the rationale, and it could be a nice feature, but we need to refer to entries in a different register, e.g. from an index of topics to an index of persons, e.g. \seeindex{Pragma}{Hagen, Hans} or to subentries like \seeindex{fun+games}{bah+humbug}. Since the latter doesn’t work (or does it now?), we use \seeindex{fun+games}{bah/humbug}. Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: latest beta and \seeindex 2018-06-24 20:07 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-25 11:21 ` Alan Bowen 2018-06-25 14:43 ` Alan Braslau 2018-06-25 12:15 ` Hans Hagen 2018-06-25 12:18 ` Hans Hagen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Alan Bowen @ 2018-06-25 11:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2593 bytes --] I should add too that in this particular volume our contributors sometimes mention different terms for the same thing as in “This is called p or q”. Indexing both terms (p and q) separately and the adding x-ref is one way to go but indexing the more commonly used term and adding a mere x-ref for the other is more efficient. Alan On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 4:08 PM Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote: > Am 2018-06-24 um 21:57 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>: > > > On 6/23/2018 5:10 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > >> The latest beta (ConTeXtver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV betafmt: 2018.6.23) > processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expected. > >> In > >> \starttext > >> \index{sample} > >> \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} > >> %\index{fun} > >> \seeindex{fun}{sample}% now with heading (as it should be) > >> \seeindex{fun}{blah}% not shown > >> \seeindex{fun}{humbug}% not shown > >> \seeindex{fun}{bug}% not shown > >> \seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment}% not shown > >> \placeindex[n=1] > >> \stoptext > >> When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works only if > it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same > heading fail as do x-refs to subheadings. > > sure, > > > > \seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown > > \seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown > > \seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown > > > > as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be > fooling your reader > > I understand the rationale, and it could be a nice feature, but we need to > refer to entries in a different register, e.g. from an index of topics to > an index of persons, e.g. \seeindex{Pragma}{Hagen, Hans} or to subentries > like \seeindex{fun+games}{bah+humbug}. Since the latter doesn’t work (or > does it now?), we use \seeindex{fun+games}{bah/humbug}. > > > Greetlings, Hraban > --- > https://www.fiee.net > http://wiki.contextgarden.net > https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de > GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3990 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: latest beta and \seeindex 2018-06-25 11:21 ` Alan Bowen @ 2018-06-25 14:43 ` Alan Braslau 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Alan Braslau @ 2018-06-25 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Bowen; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users "Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. It is enough that these things, though differing in matter, should be similar in form, to permit their being, so to speak, cast in the same mold. When the language has been carefully chosen, one is surprised to discover that all proofs developed for a given object, can be immediately applied to many new objects; there is nothing to be changed, not even the words, since all the names have become the same." (my translation) ;-) On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 07:21:43 -0400 Alan Bowen <bowenalan03@gmail.com> wrote: > I should add too that in this particular volume our contributors > sometimes mention different terms for the same thing as in “This is > called p or q”. Indexing both terms (p and q) separately and the > adding x-ref is one way to go but indexing the more commonly used > term and adding a mere x-ref for the other is more efficient. > > Alan > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 4:08 PM Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> > wrote: > > > Am 2018-06-24 um 21:57 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>: > > > > > On 6/23/2018 5:10 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > > >> The latest beta (ConTeXtver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV betafmt: > > >> 2018.6.23) > > processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as > > expected. > > >> In > > >> \starttext > > >> \index{sample} > > >> \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} > > >> %\index{fun} > > >> \seeindex{fun}{sample}% now with heading (as it should be) > > >> \seeindex{fun}{blah}% not shown > > >> \seeindex{fun}{humbug}% not shown > > >> \seeindex{fun}{bug}% not shown > > >> \seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment}% not shown > > >> \placeindex[n=1] > > >> \stoptext > > >> When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works > > >> only if > > it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same > > heading fail as do x-refs to subheadings. > > > sure, > > > > > > \seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown > > > \seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown > > > \seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown > > > > > > as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would > > > be > > fooling your reader > > > > I understand the rationale, and it could be a nice feature, but we > > need to refer to entries in a different register, e.g. from an > > index of topics to an index of persons, e.g. > > \seeindex{Pragma}{Hagen, Hans} or to subentries like > > \seeindex{fun+games}{bah+humbug}. Since the latter doesn’t work (or > > does it now?), we use \seeindex{fun+games}{bah/humbug}. > > > > > > Greetlings, Hraban > > --- > > https://www.fiee.net > > http://wiki.contextgarden.net > > https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de > > GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an > > entry to the Wiki! > > > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: latest beta and \seeindex 2018-06-24 20:07 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-06-25 11:21 ` Alan Bowen @ 2018-06-25 12:15 ` Hans Hagen 2018-06-25 12:22 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-06-25 12:18 ` Hans Hagen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-25 12:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 6/24/2018 10:07 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Am 2018-06-24 um 21:57 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>: > >> On 6/23/2018 5:10 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: >>> The latest beta (ConTeXtver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV betafmt: 2018.6.23) processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expected. >>> In >>> \starttext >>> \index{sample} >>> \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} >>> %\index{fun} >>> \seeindex{fun}{sample}% now with heading (as it should be) >>> \seeindex{fun}{blah}% not shown >>> \seeindex{fun}{humbug}% not shown >>> \seeindex{fun}{bug}% not shown >>> \seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment}% not shown >>> \placeindex[n=1] >>> \stoptext >>> When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works only if it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same heading fail as do x-refs to subheadings. >> sure, >> >> \seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown >> \seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown >> \seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown >> >> as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be fooling your reader > > I understand the rationale, and it could be a nice feature, but we need to refer to entries in a different register, e.g. from an index of topics to an index of persons, e.g. \seeindex{Pragma}{Hagen, Hans} or to subentries like \seeindex{fun+games}{bah+humbug}. Since the latter doesn’t work (or does it now?), we use \seeindex{fun+games}{bah/humbug}. hm, sounds like a crappy index to mee (i actually hate these indexes that force you to 'see' somplace else .. extra lookup) anyway, i'll add check=no to placeregister so that one can bypass the check (but i cannot foresee side effects like missing references in interactiev documents so these have to be taken for granted) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: latest beta and \seeindex 2018-06-25 12:15 ` Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-25 12:22 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-25 12:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2018-06-25 um 14:15 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>: > On 6/24/2018 10:07 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: >> Am 2018-06-24 um 21:57 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>: >>> as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be fooling your reader >> I understand the rationale, and it could be a nice feature, but we need to refer to entries in a different register, e.g. from an index of topics to an index of persons, e.g. \seeindex{Pragma}{Hagen, Hans} or to subentries like \seeindex{fun+games}{bah+humbug}. Since the latter doesn’t work (or does it now?), we use \seeindex{fun+games}{bah/humbug}. > hm, sounds like a crappy index to mee (i actually hate these indexes that force you to 'see' somplace else .. extra lookup) I hear you, but it wouldn’t make sense to double-index a lot of terms (it might increase usability, but also double the length of the index). > anyway, i'll add check=no to placeregister so that one can bypass the check (but i cannot foresee side effects like missing references in interactiev documents so these have to be taken for granted) Thank you, that fits my/our needs, I guess. Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: latest beta and \seeindex 2018-06-24 20:07 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-06-25 11:21 ` Alan Bowen 2018-06-25 12:15 ` Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-25 12:18 ` Hans Hagen 2018-06-25 14:01 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-25 12:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Henning Hraban Ramm On 6/24/2018 10:07 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: >>> \starttext >>> \index{sample} >>> \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} >>> %\index{fun} btw, index entries will only work well with an anchor so loose \index without something following it will not show the right page numbers (if at all) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: latest beta and \seeindex 2018-06-25 12:18 ` Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-25 14:01 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-06-25 15:08 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-25 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2018-06-25 um 14:18 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>: > On 6/24/2018 10:07 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: >>>> \starttext >>>> \index{sample} >>>> \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} >>>> %\index{fun} > > btw, index entries will only work well with an anchor so loose \index without something following it will not show the right page numbers (if at all) I don’t understand - why should I try a bare \index? Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: latest beta and \seeindex 2018-06-25 14:01 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-25 15:08 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-25 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Henning Hraban Ramm On 6/25/2018 4:01 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Am 2018-06-25 um 14:18 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>: > >> On 6/24/2018 10:07 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: >>>>> \starttext >>>>> \index{sample} >>>>> \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} >>>>> %\index{fun} >> >> btw, index entries will only work well with an anchor so loose \index without something following it will not show the right page numbers (if at all) > > I don’t understand - why should I try a bare \index? your example had so i had to add some bogus content (anyway, i now inject a placeholder as warning anyway) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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