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On 9 Oct 2014, at 08:52 , Sander Maijers <s.n.maijers@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Am I correct in that you would enforce a single concrete
> citation format throughout the document that way?
No, it would just change the Author-field for one particular entry that =
is causing trouble.
One can correct all faulty entries that way of cause.=20

>  You were asking for comments
> about your solution, I hope the following remarks are informative to
> you.
>=20
> My .bib file is being autogenerated by Mendeley, a reference manager,
> and changes often in terms of contents. That workflow seems
> incompatible with your solution. Furthermore, I may not let the
> authors appear in citations with all their names every time, it should
> be limited to the first time (the APA 6 rules, that I referred to).
> With your solution, 1 out of n citations would be correct, while in
> the current situation (without manual intervention) n-1 out of n would
> be correct (all but the first).
>=20
 I clearly misunderstood your problem, which, as I see now, thanks to =
your remarks, is rather different from mine.=20
I would not have sent you my silly answer if I had known this.

On the other hand, I too need citations and bibliographic references to =
appear in different forms, three in my case:
In the Bibliography with Author: Last name, first name,=20
In the text and footnotes the first time with Author(s): First name(s), =
last name(s),  and full title of the work, and in all the following =
citations with Author(s): Last name(s) only and short title of the work.=20=

I could think of no other way to accomplish this than to generate the =
.bbl, make two copies, =93Inversed Author=94 and =93Short Title=94, make =
the necessary changes in these .bbl=92s, including the cite-key to mark =
it for these two alternatives. I should add that I could not use apa  =
but an apa-like, modified in many details which also forced me to tweak =
the .bbl.

It all seems a lot of work but it is straightforward, it works for me =
and it protects me from an enormous amount of frustration.
(And I=92m glad my .bib-file is not autogenerated.)

Best regards,

Robert Blackstone




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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br =
style=3D"font-size: 15px;"><div style=3D"font-size: 15px;"><div>On 9 Oct =
2014, at 08:52 , Sander Maijers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:s.n.maijers@gmail.com">s.n.maijers@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">&nbsp;Am I correct in that you would enforce a single =
concrete<br>citation format throughout the document that =
way?</blockquote><div>No, it would just change the Author-field for one =
particular entry that is causing trouble.</div><div>One can correct all =
faulty entries that way of cause.&nbsp;</div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">&nbsp;You were asking for comments<br>about your solution, =
I hope the following remarks are informative to<br>you.<br><br>My .bib =
file is being autogenerated by Mendeley, a reference manager,<br>and =
changes often in terms of contents. That workflow seems<br>incompatible =
with your solution. Furthermore, I may not let the<br>authors appear in =
citations with all their names every time, it should<br>be limited to =
the first time (the APA 6 rules, that I referred to).<br>With your =
solution, 1 out of n citations would be correct, while in<br>the current =
situation (without manual intervention) n-1 out of n would<br>be correct =
(all but the first).<br><br></blockquote>&nbsp;I clearly misunderstood =
your problem, which, as I see now, thanks to your remarks, is rather =
different from mine.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-size: 15px;">I would =
not have sent you my silly answer if I had known this.</div><div =
style=3D"font-size: 15px;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size: 15px;">On =
the other hand, I too need citations and bibliographic references to =
appear in different forms, three in my case:</div><div style=3D"font-size:=
 15px;">In the Bibliography with Author: Last name, first =
name,&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-size: 15px;">In the text and =
footnotes the first time with Author(s): First name(s), last name(s), =
&nbsp;and full title of the work, and in all the following citations =
with Author(s): Last name(s) only and short title of the =
work.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-size: 15px;">I could think of no =
other way to accomplish this than to generate the .bbl, make two copies, =
=93Inversed Author=94 and =93Short Title=94, make the necessary changes =
in these .bbl=92s, including the cite-key to mark it for these two =
alternatives. I should add that I could not use apa &nbsp;but an =
apa-like, modified in many details which also forced me to tweak the =
.bbl.</div><div style=3D"font-size: 15px;"><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-size: 15px;">It all seems a lot of work but it is =
straightforward, it works for me and it protects me from an enormous =
amount of frustration.</div><div style=3D"font-size: 15px;">(And I=92m =
glad my .bib-file is not autogenerated.)</div><div style=3D"font-size: =
15px;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size: 15px;">Best regards,</div><div =
style=3D"font-size: 15px;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size: =
15px;">Robert Blackstone</div><div style=3D"font-size: =
15px;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size: =
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