* Out of Date? Up to Date? @ 2005-11-19 21:06 David Arnold 2005-11-20 10:27 ` Taco Hoekwater 2005-11-21 8:58 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: David Arnold @ 2005-11-19 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw) All, If I read: http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mfonts.pdf How up to date or out of date is the information in this manual? David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Out of Date? Up to Date? 2005-11-19 21:06 Out of Date? Up to Date? David Arnold @ 2005-11-20 10:27 ` Taco Hoekwater 2005-11-20 12:05 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2005-11-20 14:00 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2005-11-21 8:58 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2005-11-20 10:27 UTC (permalink / raw) David Arnold wrote: > All, > > If I read: > > http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mfonts.pdf > > How up to date or out of date is the information in this manual? Hi David, It looks like it is still quite up-to-date, but some of the examples it gives may no longer be the very best and latest way of doing things, and possibly there are some new developments that do not get as much attention as desired (like texfont, and the issues arising from font map files). Overall, the document appears accurate, though. An important thing to remember is this: ConTeXt does not share font metric conventions with LaTeX. (at one point it started doing so, like supporting the Karl Berry naming scheme and the psnfss style font family names, but that has since been abandoned). Another important thing is that it also does not share font map files with LaTeX and, specifically, ConTeXt does not make pdfetex read pdftex.map. (this is at the root of a great many problems reported by users only familiar with nfss) The preferred format for metric files in ConTeXt is <vendor>/<familyname>/<encoding>-<fontname>.tfm for metrics and <encoding>-<vendor>-<familyname>.map for the mapping files. <fontname> is usually derived from the font source (afm or ttf), <encoding> is a 'controlled' list, <vendor> and <familyname> are user-supplied (at install time). There are ways to trick ConTeXt into using different conventions, but if you do that you are likely to run into trouble (as you have experienced). Greetings, Taco ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Out of Date? Up to Date? 2005-11-20 10:27 ` Taco Hoekwater @ 2005-11-20 12:05 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2005-11-20 14:00 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2005-11-20 12:05 UTC (permalink / raw) Am 2005-11-20 um 11:27 schrieb Taco Hoekwater: > An important thing to remember is this: > ConTeXt does not share font metric conventions with LaTeX. Thank you for this summary, I just added it to the Fonts page in the wiki. Grüßlis vom Hraban! --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://contextgarden.net http://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Out of Date? Up to Date? 2005-11-20 10:27 ` Taco Hoekwater 2005-11-20 12:05 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2005-11-20 14:00 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2005-11-20 14:40 ` Taco Hoekwater 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2005-11-20 14:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Taco, isn't this a bit too general? All the fonts I have converted with texfont are shared by LaTeX and ConTeXt, and I haven't had any trouble so far. My rule of thumb was: if the font itself (i.e. the tfm) works at the basic level of TeX recognizing and using it, everything else is just a question of a clever use of typescripts (ConTeXt) and font definitions (LaTeX). The only precondition: I gather all the relevant lines into one big mapfile which is read by ConTeXt at runtime (\loadmapfile[my.map]) and has to be enabled via updmap-sys for LaTeX. But AFAICS, the Berry-namimg scheme is not necessary even for LaTeX. Or am I being overoptimistic? Best Thomas On Nov 20, 2005, at 11:27 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > An important thing to remember is this: > > ConTeXt does not share font metric conventions with LaTeX. > > (at one point it started doing so, like supporting the Karl > Berry naming scheme and the psnfss style font family names, > but that has since been abandoned). > > Another important thing is that it also does not share font > map files with LaTeX and, specifically, > > ConTeXt does not make pdfetex read pdftex.map. > > (this is at the root of a great many problems reported by > users only familiar with nfss) > > > The preferred format for metric files in ConTeXt is > > <vendor>/<familyname>/<encoding>-<fontname>.tfm > > for metrics and > > <encoding>-<vendor>-<familyname>.map > > for the mapping files. > > <fontname> is usually derived from the font source (afm or ttf), > <encoding> is a 'controlled' list, > <vendor> and <familyname> are user-supplied (at install time). > > There are ways to trick ConTeXt into using different conventions, > but if you do that you are likely to run into trouble (as you > have experienced). > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Out of Date? Up to Date? 2005-11-20 14:00 ` Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2005-11-20 14:40 ` Taco Hoekwater 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2005-11-20 14:40 UTC (permalink / raw) Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > Taco, > > isn't this a bit too general? Yes, I have simplified considerably, but I believe my statements are a good guideline for users that do not have in-depth knowledge of the workings of ConTeXt, esp. those that are used to LaTeX. > But AFAICS, the Berry-namimg scheme is not necessary even for LaTeX. Or > am I being overoptimistic? Not quite necessary I think, but it sure makes using fontinst easier if you do. And there is an analogous situation for the Hagen-naming scheme and texfont ;-) Cheers, Taco ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Out of Date? Up to Date? 2005-11-19 21:06 Out of Date? Up to Date? David Arnold 2005-11-20 10:27 ` Taco Hoekwater @ 2005-11-21 8:58 ` Hans Hagen 2005-11-21 14:49 ` David Arnold 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2005-11-21 8:58 UTC (permalink / raw) David Arnold wrote: > All, > > If I read: > > http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mfonts.pdf > > How up to date or out of date is the information in this manual? actually i'm editing this file now, and i'll upload a newer version in a while Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Out of Date? Up to Date? 2005-11-21 8:58 ` Hans Hagen @ 2005-11-21 14:49 ` David Arnold 2005-11-21 15:07 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: David Arnold @ 2005-11-21 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw) Wanna send me what you have and I'll annotate it with suggestions, much as we did with Metafun? On Nov 21, 2005, at 12:58 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: > David Arnold wrote: > > >> All, >> >> If I read: >> >> http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mfonts.pdf >> >> How up to date or out of date is the information in this manual? >> > > actually i'm editing this file now, and i'll upload a newer version > in a while > > > Hans > > _______________________________________________ > ntg-context mailing list > ntg-context@ntg.nl > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > > David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Out of Date? Up to Date? 2005-11-21 14:49 ` David Arnold @ 2005-11-21 15:07 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2005-11-21 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw) David Arnold wrote: > Wanna send me what you have and I'll annotate it with suggestions, > much as we did with Metafun? sure, suggestions (goes for all manuals) are welcome, Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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