Re: \cite command (bib-module)

Re: \cite command (bib-module)

[Martin Hoher]

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> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:35:59 +0200
> From: "Thomas A. Schmitz" <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de>
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] use of the \cite command (bib-module)
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> On Sep 11, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Martin Hoher wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> concerning the bib-module and the \cite command I've got two  
>> questions:
>>
>> (1) 	The output in the text of the document should look like this:
>>        Goldstein (2003:95).
>> 	The name of the author should be located on the outside of the 			 
>> brackets.
>>
>>    	
>> 	Goldstein refers to the name of the author, 2003 is the year of 	
>> publication and 95 is the relevant page number.
>> 	My approach until now:  \cite[extras={:95}][G:2003] It generates the
>> following output: (Goldstein 2003:95)
>>
> \setupcite
>         [authoryear]
>         [pubsep={, },
>          lastpubsep={ und },
>          compress=yes,
>          inbetween={ (},
>          left={},
>          right={)}]
> 
> (chapter 2.3 of the bib manual)
> 
>> (2)	The output in the text should look like this:
>> 	(vgl. Goldstein 2003:95)
>> 	My intention is to place the expression "vgl." in front of the 		
>> authorname and inside of the brackets.
> 
> \setupcite
>         [authoryear]
>         [pubsep={, },
>          lastpubsep={ und },
>          compress=yes,
>          inbetween={ (vgl. },
>          left={},
>          right={)}]
> 
> HTH
> 
> Thomas

Thank you for your answer. The first example works.

The result is: "Goldstein (2003)" but unfortunately it is impossible to
combine it with the [extras={:95}] option to get the page number behind
the citation.
If you type \cite [authoryear][extras={:95}] it won't work.
Although I've tried it with the [authoryear,page] nothing works.

The result of the second example is "Goldstein (vgl. 2003)". I've tried
to use the left={} option instead, but nothing changed.
\setupcite
         [authoryear]
         [pubsep={, },
          lastpubsep={ und },
          compress=yes,
          inbetween={},
          left={(vgl. },
          right={)}]

 still leads to the result Goldstein (vgl. 2003) when I type in the
command \cite [authoryear][G:2003]. It seems to be impossible to place
something (like "vgl.") in front of the name of the author and inside of
the brackets like (vgl. Goldstein 2003:95)

I couldn't find anything specific about these problems in the
bib-manual. Perhaps you or someone else can help me?

Regards
Martin









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Re: \cite command (bib-module)

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Sep 11, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Martin Hoher wrote:

> Thank you for your answer. The first example works.
>
> The result is: "Goldstein (2003)" but unfortunately it is impossible  
> to
> combine it with the [extras={:95}] option to get the page number  
> behind
> the citation.
> If you type \cite [authoryear][extras={:95}] it won't work.
> Although I've tried it with the [authoryear,page] nothing works.
> The result of the second example is "Goldstein (vgl. 2003)". I've  
> tried
> to use the left={} option instead, but nothing changed.
> \setupcite
>         [authoryear]
>         [pubsep={, },
>          lastpubsep={ und },
>          compress=yes,
>          inbetween={},
>          left={(vgl. },
>          right={)}]
>
> still leads to the result Goldstein (vgl. 2003) when I type in the
> command \cite [authoryear][G:2003]. It seems to be impossible to place
> something (like "vgl.") in front of the name of the author and  
> inside of
> the brackets like (vgl. Goldstein 2003:95)

Sorry, in the second case, you'll need the option "authoryears":

\setupcite
        [authoryears]
        [pubsep={, },
         lastpubsep={ und },
         compress=yes,
         inbetween={ },
         left={(vgl. },
         right={)}]


I had a quick look at the source, and it doesn't look like you can  
have three [] arguments after \cite. So you can't have \cite[STYLE] 
[EXTRAS][KEY], you must use the \setuppublications command and set the  
default. If you want to have a different citation style in the  
footnotes and in the main text, you will probably want to have a  
\setuppublications[refcommand=authoryears] in the setup of your  
footnotes (see p. 101 of cont-eni.pdf).

Thomas
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Re: \cite command (bib-module)

[Taco Hoekwater]

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> I had a quick look at the source, and it doesn't look like you can  
> have three [] arguments after \cite. So you can't have \cite[STYLE] 
> [EXTRAS][KEY], 

But you can do:

   \cite[KEY][alternative=STYLE,extras=EXTRAS]

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: \cite command (bib-module)

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>> I had a quick look at the source, and it doesn't look like you can
>> have three [] arguments after \cite. So you can't have \cite[STYLE]
>> [EXTRAS][KEY],
>
> But you can do:
>
>   \cite[KEY][alternative=STYLE,extras=EXTRAS]
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco

Ah, I should have taken a longer look! Very elegant, thanks Taco. But  
maybe hooking the \setupcite setup into the \setufootnotes "before"  
option is more efficient than adding the style manually every time.

All best

Thomas 
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Re: \cite command (bib-module)

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>> I had a quick look at the source, and it doesn't look like you can
>> have three [] arguments after \cite. So you can't have \cite[STYLE]
>> [EXTRAS][KEY],
>
> But you can do:
>
>   \cite[KEY][alternative=STYLE,extras=EXTRAS]

Shouldn't that be

\cite[alternative=STYLE, extras=EXTRAS][KEY]

Aditya
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Re: \cite command (bib-module)

[Taco Hoekwater]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> 
>> Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>>> I had a quick look at the source, and it doesn't look like you can
>>> have three [] arguments after \cite. So you can't have \cite[STYLE]
>>> [EXTRAS][KEY],
>> But you can do:
>>
>>   \cite[KEY][alternative=STYLE,extras=EXTRAS]
> 
> Shouldn't that be
> 
> \cite[alternative=STYLE, extras=EXTRAS][KEY]

The syntax that works is the correct one :-)

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: ntg-context Digest, Vol 51, Issue 44

[Martin Hoher]

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> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
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>> But as far as I understood, the problem got resolved, right? Didn't
>> the umlaut-utf work OK?
> 
> No, not with my oldtimer.
> 
>> (J?rgen, in case that you are still using the old version of ConTeXt -
>> *many* aspects have improved since then, including encodings and
>> regimes, so before starting complaining that something doesn't work,
>> try upgrading first. And I really mean it.)
> 
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> 
> J?rgen
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> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:19:59 +0200
> From: Martin Hoher <Martin.Hoher@uni-konstanz.de>
> Subject: [NTG-context] use of the \cite command (bib-module)
> To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
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> 
> Hello,
> 
> concerning the bib-module and the \cite command I've got two questions:
> 
> (1) 	The output in the text of the document should look like this:
>         Goldstein (2003:95).
> 	The name of the author should be located on the outside of the 			brackets.
> 
>     	
> 	Goldstein refers to the name of the author, 2003 is the year of 	
> publication and 95 is the relevant page number.
> 	My approach until now:  \cite[extras={:95}][G:2003] It generates 	the
> following output: (Goldstein 2003:95)
> 
> 
> (2)	The output in the text should look like this:
> 	(vgl. Goldstein 2003:95)
> 	My intention is to place the expression "vgl." in front of the 		
> authorname and inside of the brackets.
> 
> If someone has an idea to solve this little problem, it will be great to
> here from you soon.
> 
> Greetings
> Martin
>> Hello,
>>
>> concerning the bib-module and the \cite command I've got two  
>> questions:
>>
>> (1) 	The output in the text of the document should look like this:
>>        Goldstein (2003:95).
>> 	The name of the author should be located on the outside of the 			 
>> brackets.
>>
>>    	
>> 	Goldstein refers to the name of the author, 2003 is the year of 	
>> publication and 95 is the relevant page number.
>> 	My approach until now:  \cite[extras={:95}][G:2003] It generates 	the
>> following output: (Goldstein 2003:95)
>>
> \setupcite
>         [authoryear]
>         [pubsep={, },
>          lastpubsep={ und },
>          compress=yes,
>          inbetween={ (},
>          left={},
>          right={)}]
> 
> (chapter 2.3 of the bib manual)
> 
>> (2)	The output in the text should look like this:
>> 	(vgl. Goldstein 2003:95)
>> 	My intention is to place the expression "vgl." in front of the 		
>> authorname and inside of the brackets.
> 
> \setupcite
>         [authoryear]
>         [pubsep={, },
>          lastpubsep={ und },
>          compress=yes,
>          inbetween={ (vgl. },
>          left={},
>          right={)}]
> 
> HTH
> 
> Thomas

Hello,
I've found my fault:

\setupcite
   [authoryears]
   [pubsep={, },
  lastpubsep={ und },
  compress=yes,
  inbetween={ (vgl. },
  left={},
  right={)}]

with this you'll get
(vgl. Goldstein 2003)

The only problem left is the use of the [extras={:10}] option in
combination with [authoryears] to include the page number.

Martin

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