complete cut marks

complete cut marks

[Pablo Rodriguez]

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Hans,

I have the following sample:

    \setuppapersize[A5][A4]
    \setuplayout
      [marking=on]
    \setupexternalfigure[location=default]
    \setuppagenumbering[location=]
    \starttext
    \externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]
    \stoptext

These cut marks are lost after the first cut.

Would it be possible to have a marking=crossed such as the one proposed
in the attachment?

(BTW, I added them by hand with Inkscape, this is why they look awful.)

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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Re: complete cut marks

[Hans Hagen]

On 11/28/2017 9:29 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> Hans,
> 
> I have the following sample:
> 
>      \setuppapersize[A5][A4]
>      \setuplayout
>        [marking=on]
>      \setupexternalfigure[location=default]
>      \setuppagenumbering[location=]
>      \starttext
>      \externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]
>      \stoptext
> 
> These cut marks are lost after the first cut.
> 
> Would it be possible to have a marking=crossed such as the one proposed
> in the attachment?
> 
> (BTW, I added them by hand with Inkscape, this is why they look awful.)
\setuplayout
   [marking=on,location=middle]


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Re: complete cut marks

[Pablo Rodriguez]

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On 11/28/2017 11:48 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 11/28/2017 9:29 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> [...]
>> Would it be possible to have a marking=crossed such as the one proposed
>> in the attachment?
>>
>> (BTW, I added them by hand with Inkscape, this is why they look awful.)
> \setuplayout
>    [marking=on,location=middle]

Many thanks for your reply, Hans.

Sorry, but this isn’t what I indend. I want to avoid centering the page,
because I need to cut the paper only twice (instead of four times).

The new attachment shows in red the missing marks. (Bottom marks only
contain the missing ones, although the other two are also required, such
as in the top marks.)

Could this be implemented?

I come to this proposal after having to mark myself the sheets that I
wanted to cut.

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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Re: complete cut marks

[luigi scarso]

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote:
> On 11/28/2017 11:48 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 11/28/2017 9:29 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> Would it be possible to have a marking=crossed such as the one proposed
>>> in the attachment?
>>>
>>> (BTW, I added them by hand with Inkscape, this is why they look awful.)
>> \setuplayout
>>    [marking=on,location=middle]
>
> Many thanks for your reply, Hans.
>
> Sorry, but this isn’t what I indend. I want to avoid centering the page,
> because I need to cut the paper only twice (instead of four times).
>
> The new attachment shows in red the missing marks. (Bottom marks only
> contain the missing ones, although the other two are also required, such
> as in the top marks.)
I think it can easily  done with a layer,
but the scope of the crop marks is to make a "clean" cut;
adding more marks as in your example  means that the final sheets
can still have a "dirty" remain of inks of the marks.

The marks as in ConTeXt are ok,  the trick is don't cut too much --- see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnOyOI7sjsg

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Re: complete cut marks

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 11/29/2017 09:53 PM, luigi scarso wrote:
> I think it can easily  done with a layer,
> but the scope of the crop marks is to make a "clean" cut;
> adding more marks as in your example  means that the final sheets
> can still have a "dirty" remain of inks of the marks.

Hi Luigi,

there are some cases (when you don’t want a middle location), in which
you need marks inside).

> The marks as in ConTeXt are ok,  the trick is don't cut too much --- see
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnOyOI7sjsg

I don’t mean that the marks are wrong.

But it is impossible to have a left or right location and cut the paper
with a trimmer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_cutter).

This is why a crossed marking makes sense.

Many thanks for your reply,

Pablo
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Re: complete cut marks

[Hans Hagen]

On 12/3/2017 8:47 AM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> On 11/29/2017 09:53 PM, luigi scarso wrote:
>> I think it can easily  done with a layer,
>> but the scope of the crop marks is to make a "clean" cut;
>> adding more marks as in your example  means that the final sheets
>> can still have a "dirty" remain of inks of the marks.
> 
> Hi Luigi,
> 
> there are some cases (when you don’t want a middle location), in which
> you need marks inside).

inside of what you cut off? so you see a line there? if so, then it's 
part of the page content and should be done with overlays (otherwise we 
add features that are hard to explain and seldom used and forgotten)

>> The marks as in ConTeXt are ok,  the trick is don't cut too much --- see
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnOyOI7sjsg
> 
> I don’t mean that the marks are wrong.
> 
> But it is impossible to have a left or right location and cut the paper
> with a trimmer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_cutter).
> 
> This is why a crossed marking makes sense.
the only thing that helps against the marke being cut off is to draw a 
frame so i'll add

\setuplayout[marking=page]

which draws a dashed outline just outside the page (so one can cut there 
and still get the right size)

Hans


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Re: complete cut marks

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 12/03/2017 12:23 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 12/3/2017 8:47 AM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> [...]
>> This is why a crossed marking makes sense.
> 
> the only thing that helps against the marke being cut off is to draw a 
> frame so i'll add
> 
> \setuplayout[marking=page]
> 
> which draws a dashed outline just outside the page (so one can cut there 
> and still get the right size)

Hans,

many thanks for the new implementation and for your help.

Pablo
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Re: complete cut marks

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

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On 29.11.2017 21:11, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> Could this be implemented?
> 
> I come to this proposal after having to mark myself the sheets that I
> wanted to cut.


I have an old module t-crop that offers this kind of marks, I don't 
think it was ever really published. I hope this makes it through to the 
list. It offers 3 different kinds of marks, size and position can be 
configured. Maybe this can help you.

Thomas


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Re: complete cut marks

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 11/29/2017 10:28 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On 29.11.2017 21:11, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> Could this be implemented?
>>
>> I come to this proposal after having to mark myself the sheets that I
>> wanted to cut.
> 
> I have an old module t-crop that offers this kind of marks, I don't 
> think it was ever really published. I hope this makes it through to the 
> list. It offers 3 different kinds of marks, size and position can be 
> configured. Maybe this can help you.

Many thanks for your reply and the module, Thomas.

I’m afraid that this doesn’t help me, because it requires a middle
location. This is exactly what I need to avoid.

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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