PPCHTeX Bug?

PPCHTeX Bug?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

On TeX-D-L (german ML) was last week a dicussion about a PPCHTeX bug
(at least with LaTeX), it seems that the file ppchtex.tex lost its tail 
(ca. 3kB).

I told the user to ask at the PPCHTeX Mailing list, but he only got a 
message,
that the list was moderated.

Could someone care about this, please? I never used PPCHTeX...


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Re: PPCHTeX Bug?

[Hans Hagen]

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> On TeX-D-L (german ML) was last week a dicussion about a PPCHTeX bug
> (at least with LaTeX), it seems that the file ppchtex.tex lost its 
> tail (ca. 3kB).
>
> I told the user to ask at the PPCHTeX Mailing list, but he only got a 
> message,
> that the list was moderated.

what tail? 

Hans 


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Re: PPCHTeX Bug?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 14.09.2004 um 11:17 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>> On TeX-D-L (german ML) was last week a dicussion about a PPCHTeX bug
>> (at least with LaTeX), it seems that the file ppchtex.tex lost its 
>> tail (ca. 3kB).
>> I told the user to ask at the PPCHTeX Mailing list, but he only got a 
>> message,
>> that the list was moderated.
> what tail?

Sorry, I don't like to moderate between TeX-D-L and here (and will be 
off from tomorrow to end of September)...
CC to Thomas Meyer: Please care for yourself now.

Thomas Meyer wrote, some PPCHTeX code wouldn't work, the error message 
was:
"ppchtex.tex:3390: undefined control sequence"
He uses an actual MikTeX (again, only problems with this, we should 
mark it red in the wiki...)
His file ppchtex.tex ends like:

\def\cpos#1#2%
   {\iftrialtypesetting
      #2%
    \else
      \bgroup
      \globalpushmacro\dowithchemical
<--------3390
      
\gdef\dowithchemical##1{\hpos{#1}{##1}\globalpopmacro\dowithchemical}%
      #2%
      \egroup
   \fi}

\fi
\f\protect \endinput


Tobias Hilbricht answered, the code would work with his ppchtex.tex 
version from TeX Live 2003,
there line 3390 (second line from the end) had only a lonely "\fi", but 
the file is 3kB bigger,
but both show the same date of 1997-03-19 (I guess this date is only 
the creation date and not
altered at changes, isn't it?)

With Tobias' file it worked at Thomas.
Thomas downloaded the file from pragma-ade.nl, and it doesn't work 
again.

I told him to ask at the PPCHTeX list, see above.

Further Thomas wanted to draw seven-rings, and that seems not supported 
by PPCHTeX.


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Re: PPCHTeX Bug?

[Tobias Hilbricht]

Am Di, den 14.09.2004 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm um 14:44:
> some PPCHTeX code wouldn't work

Dear readers,
the code in question was the following:

--------------------------

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{etex}
%\usepackage{pstricks,pstcol,pst-plot}
\usepackage{m-pictex,color}
\usepackage{m-ch-de}
 
\begin{document}
 
% C3-Aldose, Bindungen der Aldehydgruppe rot
\startchemical
  {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]}}%
  \chemie[SIX,Z234,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,%
          MOV3,Z0][H,C,O,C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}]
\stopchemie
 
% C3-Aldose, Atome der Aldehydgruppe rot
\startchemical
  \chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]%
  {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,Z234][H,C,O]}}%
  \chemie[SIX,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,%
          MOV3,Z0][C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}]
\stopchemie

-----------------------


> , the error message 
> was:
> "ppchtex.tex:3390: undefined control sequence"
> He uses an actual MikTeX (again, only problems with this, we should 
> mark it red in the wiki...)
> His file ppchtex.tex ends like:
> 
> \def\cpos#1#2%
>    {\iftrialtypesetting
>       #2%
>     \else
>       \bgroup
>       \globalpushmacro\dowithchemical
> <--------3390
>       
> \gdef\dowithchemical##1{\hpos{#1}{##1}\globalpopmacro\dowithchemical}%
>       #2%
>       \egroup
>    \fi}
> 
> \fi
> \f\protect \endinput
> 
> 
> Tobias Hilbricht answered, the code would work with his ppchtex.tex 
> version from TeX Live 2003,
> there line 3390 (second line from the end) had only a lonely "\fi", but 
> the file is 3kB bigger,
> 
> With Tobias' file it worked at Thomas.
> Thomas downloaded the file from pragma-ade.nl, and it doesn't work 
> again.
> 
> I told him to ask at the PPCHTeX list, see above.
> 
> Further Thomas wanted to draw seven-rings, and that seems not supported 
> by PPCHTeX.

Perhaps this helps to solve this problem with PPCHTeX.

Yours sincerely

Tobias Hilbricht

AW: PPCHTeX Bug?

[Thomas Meyer]

Hello, 

I am new here in this list and I am the one who has the problems with
ppchtex.
At first I have to thank Hraban and Tobias for their committed help!
Under LaTeX I tried the downloaded version of ppchtex.tex from
pragma-ade.nl. I got only the lines for the bonds between the atoms, no
letters for the atomic symbols. And I got the error message Tobias and
Hraban reported.
Tobias' version of ppchtex.tex works fine!
The downloaded version works fine only under ConTeXt not under LaTeX.
Is there a bug? Or am I to stupid?

Another question:
Is it possible to create seven-membered ring-systems with ppchtex? I never
found something in the manual about it.

Greetings 

Thomas

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl] Im
Auftrag von Tobias Hilbricht
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. September 2004 11:42
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] PPCHTeX Bug?

Am Di, den 14.09.2004 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm um 14:44:
> some PPCHTeX code wouldn't work

Dear readers,
the code in question was the following:

--------------------------

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{etex}
%\usepackage{pstricks,pstcol,pst-plot}
\usepackage{m-pictex,color}
\usepackage{m-ch-de}
 
\begin{document}
 
% C3-Aldose, Bindungen der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical
  {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]}}%
  \chemie[SIX,Z234,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,%
          MOV3,Z0][H,C,O,C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}]
\stopchemie
 
% C3-Aldose, Atome der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical
  \chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]%
  {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,Z234][H,C,O]}}%
  \chemie[SIX,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,%
          MOV3,Z0][C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}]
\stopchemie

-----------------------


> , the error message
> was:
> "ppchtex.tex:3390: undefined control sequence"
> He uses an actual MikTeX (again, only problems with this, we should 
> mark it red in the wiki...) His file ppchtex.tex ends like:
> 
> \def\cpos#1#2%
>    {\iftrialtypesetting
>       #2%
>     \else
>       \bgroup
>       \globalpushmacro\dowithchemical
> <--------3390
>       
> \gdef\dowithchemical##1{\hpos{#1}{##1}\globalpopmacro\dowithchemical}%
>       #2%
>       \egroup
>    \fi}
> 
> \fi
> \f\protect \endinput
> 
> 
> Tobias Hilbricht answered, the code would work with his ppchtex.tex 
> version from TeX Live 2003, there line 3390 (second line from the end) 
> had only a lonely "\fi", but the file is 3kB bigger,
> 
> With Tobias' file it worked at Thomas.
> Thomas downloaded the file from pragma-ade.nl, and it doesn't work 
> again.
> 
> I told him to ask at the PPCHTeX list, see above.
> 
> Further Thomas wanted to draw seven-rings, and that seems not 
> supported by PPCHTeX.

Perhaps this helps to solve this problem with PPCHTeX.

Yours sincerely

Tobias Hilbricht


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AW: PPCHTeX Bug?

[Thomas Meyer]

Hi to all,

One week is gone and I got no answer, no comment to my problems!
What's going wrong!

Thomas 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl] Im
Auftrag von Thomas Meyer
Gesendet: Samstag, 18. September 2004 12:05
An: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users'
Betreff: AW: [NTG-context] PPCHTeX Bug?

Hello, 

I am new here in this list and I am the one who has the problems with
ppchtex.
At first I have to thank Hraban and Tobias for their committed help!
Under LaTeX I tried the downloaded version of ppchtex.tex from
pragma-ade.nl. I got only the lines for the bonds between the atoms, no
letters for the atomic symbols. And I got the error message Tobias and
Hraban reported.
Tobias' version of ppchtex.tex works fine!
The downloaded version works fine only under ConTeXt not under LaTeX.
Is there a bug? Or am I to stupid?

Another question:
Is it possible to create seven-membered ring-systems with ppchtex? I never
found something in the manual about it.

Greetings 

Thomas

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl] Im
Auftrag von Tobias Hilbricht
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. September 2004 11:42
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] PPCHTeX Bug?

Am Di, den 14.09.2004 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm um 14:44:
> some PPCHTeX code wouldn't work

Dear readers,
the code in question was the following:

--------------------------

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{etex}
%\usepackage{pstricks,pstcol,pst-plot}
\usepackage{m-pictex,color}
\usepackage{m-ch-de}
 
\begin{document}
 
% C3-Aldose, Bindungen der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical
  {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]}}%
  \chemie[SIX,Z234,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,%
          MOV3,Z0][H,C,O,C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}]
\stopchemie
 
% C3-Aldose, Atome der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical
  \chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]%
  {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,Z234][H,C,O]}}%
  \chemie[SIX,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,%
          MOV3,Z0][C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}]
\stopchemie

-----------------------


> , the error message
> was:
> "ppchtex.tex:3390: undefined control sequence"
> He uses an actual MikTeX (again, only problems with this, we should 
> mark it red in the wiki...) His file ppchtex.tex ends like:
> 
> \def\cpos#1#2%
>    {\iftrialtypesetting
>       #2%
>     \else
>       \bgroup
>       \globalpushmacro\dowithchemical
> <--------3390
>       
> \gdef\dowithchemical##1{\hpos{#1}{##1}\globalpopmacro\dowithchemical}%
>       #2%
>       \egroup
>    \fi}
> 
> \fi
> \f\protect \endinput
> 
> 
> Tobias Hilbricht answered, the code would work with his ppchtex.tex 
> version from TeX Live 2003, there line 3390 (second line from the end) 
> had only a lonely "\fi", but the file is 3kB bigger,
> 
> With Tobias' file it worked at Thomas.
> Thomas downloaded the file from pragma-ade.nl, and it doesn't work 
> again.
> 
> I told him to ask at the PPCHTeX list, see above.
> 
> Further Thomas wanted to draw seven-rings, and that seems not 
> supported by PPCHTeX.

Perhaps this helps to solve this problem with PPCHTeX.

Yours sincerely

Tobias Hilbricht


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Re: PPCHTeX Bug?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi Thomas,

I believe your problem is that ppchtex is a very specialistic package
and there are not that many people using it to it's full capacity. As a 
result of that, there isn't that much expert knowledge available. Personally,
I don't understand any of it. Luckily, the only chemical stuff I have ever had 
to typeset could be done by cut&paste and making trivial changes to the 
examples in the manual.

Greetings, Taco

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:47:18 +0200, Thomas wrote:

> Hi to all,
> 
> One week is gone and I got no answer, no comment to my problems!
> What's going wrong!
> 


-- 
groeten,

Taco

Re: PPCHTeX Bug?

[Mojca Miklavec]

In my opinion - it's not only its complexity preventing the users from 
using it, but also it's insufficient flexibility. As long as I 
understood the manual (and tried to draw some formulas), it is possible 
to create a certain subset of images, which covers the most needs, but 
certainly not all of them (there's no way to make such a trivial thing 
as a thetraedral or trigonal angle - 109.5 and 120 degrees).

see: http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-ppchtex/2002/000002.html

Even the ones with lots of experience gave up.

Perhaps chemistry is too complex to be applied easily without some help 
of graphical tools. SMILES 
(http://www.daylight.com/dayhtml/smiles/ssmiles.html) could be a 
solution, say

    \startSSMILES
    CC(=O)O
    \stopSSMILES

producing a nice picture of acetic acid (using metafun), but perhaps 
still not serving all the puposes a chemist needs.

Mojca

Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> I believe your problem is that ppchtex is a very specialistic package
> and there are not that many people using it to it's full capacity. As a 
> result of that, there isn't that much expert knowledge available. Personally,
> I don't understand any of it. Luckily, the only chemical stuff I have ever had 
> to typeset could be done by cut&paste and making trivial changes to the 
> examples in the manual.
> 
> Greetings, Taco
> 
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:47:18 +0200, Thomas wrote:
> 
>>Hi to all,
>>
>>One week is gone and I got no answer, no comment to my problems!
>>What's going wrong!

Re: PPCHTeX Bug?

[Tobias Hilbricht]

Am Mi, den 29.09.2004 schrieb Mojca Miklavec um 00:40:
>  (there's no way to make such a trivial thing 
> as a thetraedral or trigonal angle - 109.5 and 120 degrees).

Well, it is possible by "abusing" the basal structures ONE and SIX. As
an example for a 120 degree angle using SIX see the sample some messages
before in this thread.
However, you are right, there are things which are not present, such as
certain bonds etc.

Yours sincerely

Tobias Hilbricht

Re: PPCHTeX Bug?

[Eckhart Guthöhrlein]

Hi,

although I am a chemist, I must admit that I have never seriously tried
to typeset chemical formulas using some tex package instead of ChemDraw
or other external program, and thus, I can't help you.
As Taco has said, probably few, if any, users know enough to help you
and you might be on your own. 

Greetings,
Eckhart

Re: AW: PPCHTeX Bug?

[Tobias Burnus]

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Hello,

Thomas Meyer wrote:

>One week is gone and I got no answer, no comment to my problems!
>What's going wrong!
>  
>
As Taco already pointed out: There are not that many PPCHTeX users.

>The downloaded version works fine only under ConTeXt not under LaTeX.
>Is there a bug? Or am I to stupid?
>  
>
It should work under both systems. At least with my teTeX system (with 
updated ConTeXt) it works under LaTeX.

>Another question:
>Is it possible to create seven-membered ring-systems with ppchtex? I never
>found something in the manual about it.
>  
>
Probably not. Hans, how about implementing those?

>the code in question was the following:
>--------------------------
>  
>
\startchemical | \startchemie is missing:

>% C3-Aldose, Bindungen der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical
>  {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]}}%
>  \chemie[SIX,Z234,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,%
>          MOV3,Z0][H,C,O,C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}]
>\stopchemie
>  
>
I attached a LaTeX version which works here.

Tobias

[-- Attachment #2: test.tex --]
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\documentclass{article}
%\usepackage{pstricks,pstcol,pst-plot}
\usepackage{m-pictex,color}
\usepackage{m-ch-de}
 
\begin{document}
 
% C3-Aldose, Bindungen der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical
\startchemie
  {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]}}
  \chemie[SIX,Z234,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,%
         MOV3,Z0][H,C,O,C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}]
\stopchemie
 
% C3-Aldose, Atome der Aldehydgruppe rot \startchemical
\startchemie
  \chemie[SIX,SB2,DB3]%
  {\color{red}{\chemie[SIX,Z234][H,C,O]}}
  \chemie[SIX,SUB2,ONE,Z015,SB1,SB3,SB5,SB7,%
          MOV3,Z0][C,OH,H,\SL{CH_2OH}]
\stopchemie
\end{document}


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AW: AW: PPCHTeX Bug?

[Thomas Meyer]

Thanks to all who answered me! Special thanks to Tobias.
I will use ochem or something like that under LaTeX because I need
seven-membered rings.
Or is it possible to use ochem under ConTeXt?

Greetings

Thomas

>>Is it possible to create seven-membered ring-systems with ppchtex? I 
>>never found something in the manual about it.
>>  
>>
>Probably not. Hans, how about implementing those?

No answer from Hans!