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([2a02:810d:a8bf:dc10:7881:cb98:bfb9:36b9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-a68f2d64203sm399959766b.212.2024.06.04.11.14.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Jun 2024 11:14:10 -0700 (PDT) To: Jim References: From: Wolfgang Schuster Message-ID: <10a2ad78-8152-a913-e2c1-f7ffcfcc54e4@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 20:14:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 PostboxApp/7.0.60 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Message-ID-Hash: VIH7RSSB7PYKAZYAKOEN4ZCZ6K2FJLQJ X-Message-ID-Hash: VIH7RSSB7PYKAZYAKOEN4ZCZ6K2FJLQJ X-MailFrom: wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: mailing list for ConTeXt users X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: [NTG-context] Re: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/blank List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim schrieb am 04.06.2024 um 19:48: > I did not realize the wiki software did that. On reflection I suppose that > is useful in many (most?) cases. But I'd argue that it is not always a good > thing, such as in this case. (If nothing else, it might mislead a n00b > into thinking that you should get output for text preceding \starttext.) The reason why you get no text isn't that you wrote it before \starttext but that no font was loaded yet. By default ConTeXt postpones the loading of the default fonts until \starttext because when you use a different font on your document this is normally before \starttext and with the postponing there is no need to load a unused font. At the point where you load a font with \setupbodyfont text even if it appears before \starttext is shown as expected but this isn't recommended. > If you (or some other knowledgeable person reading this) don't (doesn't) > mind another question,... > Is the bullet symbol not from some font? If so, why is that font loaded in > time to see the bullet? When no font has been loaded yet with \setupbodyfont ConTeXt prints text which is put in a \hbox in a monospaced font as shown in the example below. %%%% begin example This is before \tex{starttext}. \hbox{This is also before \tex{starttext}} \starttext This is after \tex{starttext}. \stoptext %%%% end example Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________