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* MkIV and DVI output
@ 2008-04-11  9:28 Wolfgang Schuster
  2008-04-11  9:45 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-04-11  9:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,

is it possible to produce DVI files with Mark IV.

I tried a simple file like

\starttext
text
\stoptext

with the command texexec --lua --backend=dvipdfm filename

The content from my log file is

(./dvi.tex

ConTeXt  ver: 2008.03.24 23:24 MKIV  fmt: 2008.4.8  int: english/english

language       : language en is active
system         : cont-new loaded
(c:/w32tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems         : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex
(c:/w32tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-new.mkiv
lua            : used config path - C:/w32tex/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
lua            : used cache path - C:/DOKUME\CCC:5:126
1/Wolfgang/LOKALE\CCC:5:126
1/Temp/luatex-cache/context/aa3708bbacfa039a6085d2b5c7446e1e
) (c:/w32tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-mtx.tex))
system         : cont-old loaded
(c:/w32tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading        : Context Old Macros
)
system         : cont-fil loaded
(c:/w32tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading        : Context File Synonyms
)
system         : cont-sys loaded
(c:/w32tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/user/cont-sys.tex
(c:/w32tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/type-tmf.tex)
(c:/w32tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(c:/w32tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/type-otf.tex))
bodyfont       : 12pt rm is loaded
specials       : tex loaded
system         : dvi.top loaded
(./dvi.top
specials       : loading definition file dpx
(c:/w32tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/spec-dpx.tex
specials       : loading definition file fdf
(c:/w32tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex
(c:/w32tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.mkiv))
specials       : fdf loaded
)
specials       : fdf loaded
) (./dvi.tuo) (./dvi.tuo)
systems        : begin file dvi at line 3
fonts          : resetting map file list
fonts          : using map file: original-base
fonts          : using map file: lm-math
fonts          : using map file: lm-rm
fonts          : using map file: original-ams-base
fonts          : using map file: original-ams-euler
fonts          : using map file: original-public-lm
[1.1
! This can't happen (ext4).
\actualshipout ... \box \postponedcontent \box 0}}
                                                  \else \message {[\ifarrang...
\myshipout ... \fi {\thisisrealpage \realfolio #1}
                                                  \gotonextrealpage \aftersh...
\dofinaloutput ...gebody #1#2\setpagecounters }}}}
                                                  \else \the \pageboundsetti...
\finaloutput ...EAEAEA \dofinaloutput \fi \fi #1#2
                                                  \resetselectiepagina \incr...
\sidefloatoutput ...e \else \finalsidefloatoutput
                                                  \global \sidefloatvsize \n...
<argument> ...\fi \else \the \defaultstreamoutput
                                                  \fi
...
l.7 \stoptext

I'm broken. Please show this to someone who can fix can fix

mkiv lua stats : used config path          -
C:/w32tex/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
mkiv lua stats : used cache path           -
C:/DOKUME~1/Wolfgang/LOKALE~1/Temp/luatex-cache/context/aa3708bbacfa039a6085d2b5c7446e1e
mkiv lua stats : modules/dumps/instances   - 81/20/1
mkiv lua stats : input load time           - 0.050 seconds
mkiv lua stats : fonts load time           - 1.041 seconds
mkiv lua stats : xml load time             - 0.000 seconds
mkiv lua stats : mps conversion time       - 0.000 seconds
mkiv lua stats : node processing time      - 0.000 seconds (including kernel)
mkiv lua stats : kernel processing time    - 0.000 seconds
mkiv lua stats : attribute processing time - 0.000 seconds
mkiv lua stats : language load time        - 0.030 seconds (n=2)
mkiv lua stats : graphics processing time  - 0.000 seconds (n=0) (including tex)
mkiv lua stats : current memory usage      - 51703045 bytes
mkiv lua stats : cleaned up reserved nodes - 16 nodes, 8 lists (of 100)
mkiv lua stats : loaded patterns           - en:en:pat:exc:2
mkiv lua stats : node memory usage         - 69 hlist, 33 vlist, 3
rule, 130 glue, 5 kern, 10 penalty, 5 glyph, 153 attribute, 84
glue_spec, 75 attribute_list, 1 temp, 7 if_stack, 17 special, 9
local_par, 7 dir, 2 pdf_literal
mkiv lua stats : loaded fonts              -
file:lmroman10-bolditalic*default:otf
file:lmroman10-italic*default:otf file:lmroman12-bold*default:otf
file:lmroman12-italic*default:otf file:lmroman12-regular*default:otf
file:lmroman7-bold*default:otf file:lmroman7-regular*default:otf
file:lmroman9-bold*default:otf file:lmroman9-italic*default:otf
file:lmroman9-regular*default:otf
file:lmromancaps10-regular*default:otf
file:lmromanslant10-bold*default:otf
file:lmromanslant10-regular*default:otf
file:lmromanslant12-regular*default:otf
file:lmromanslant9-regular*default:otf lmex10:tfm lmmi12:tfm lmmi7:tfm
lmmi9:tfm lmsy10:tfm lmsy7:tfm lmsy9:tfm msam10:tfm msam7:tfm
msbm10:tfm msbm7:tfm rm-lmr12:tfm rm-lmr7:tfm rm-lmr9:tfm

Wolfgang
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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-11  9:28 MkIV and DVI output Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2008-04-11  9:45 ` Hans Hagen
  2008-04-11 14:34   ` luigi scarso
  2008-04-13 13:01   ` Mojca Miklavec
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-04-11  9:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> is it possible to produce DVI files with Mark IV.
> 
> I tried a simple file like
> 
> \starttext
> text
> \stoptext
> 
> with the command texexec --lua --backend=dvipdfm filename

no, at quite some places i've hardcoded a pdftex backend

at some point i will redo the backends, but i wonder if it really makes 
sense to support dvi any longer; i'd rather prepare for future formats


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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-11  9:45 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-04-11 14:34   ` luigi scarso
  2008-04-11 14:55     ` Martin Schröder
                       ` (2 more replies)
  2008-04-13 13:01   ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: luigi scarso @ 2008-04-11 14:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
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>  at some point i will redo the backends, but i wonder if it really makes
>  sense to support dvi any longer; i'd rather prepare for future formats
xps ?

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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-11 14:34   ` luigi scarso
@ 2008-04-11 14:55     ` Martin Schröder
  2008-04-11 23:20       ` luigi scarso
  2008-04-11 15:24     ` Olivier Guéry
  2008-04-11 15:36     ` Hans Hagen
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From: Martin Schröder @ 2008-04-11 14:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2008/4/11, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com>:
> xps ?

http://tug.org/mailman/htdig/pdftex/2007-April/007112.html

Best
   Martin
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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-11 14:34   ` luigi scarso
  2008-04-11 14:55     ` Martin Schröder
@ 2008-04-11 15:24     ` Olivier Guéry
  2008-04-11 16:04       ` Taco Hoekwater
  2008-04-12  7:16       ` Hans Hagen
  2008-04-11 15:36     ` Hans Hagen
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From: Olivier Guéry @ 2008-04-11 15:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:34 PM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  at some point i will redo the backends, but i wonder if it really makes
>  >  sense to support dvi any longer; i'd rather prepare for future formats
>  xps ?

Do you plan some support for the ebooks formats (epub, mobipocket) ?

Cheers,
Olivier.


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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-11 14:34   ` luigi scarso
  2008-04-11 14:55     ` Martin Schröder
  2008-04-11 15:24     ` Olivier Guéry
@ 2008-04-11 15:36     ` Hans Hagen
  2008-04-11 16:10       ` luigi scarso
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-04-11 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
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luigi scarso wrote:
>>  at some point i will redo the backends, but i wonder if it really makes
>>  sense to support dvi any longer; i'd rather prepare for future formats
> xps ?

mars

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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-11 15:24     ` Olivier Guéry
@ 2008-04-11 16:04       ` Taco Hoekwater
  2008-04-12  7:16       ` Hans Hagen
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Olivier Guéry wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:34 PM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  at some point i will redo the backends, but i wonder if it really makes
>>  >  sense to support dvi any longer; i'd rather prepare for future formats
>>  xps ?
> 
> Do you plan some support for the ebooks formats (epub, mobipocket) ?

Here is the needed support for one ebook format:

   \definepapersize[iliad]
      [width=124mm,
       height=152mm]
   \setuppapersize[iliad][iliad]
   \pdfminorversion=4 % officially 3, but 4 works also
   \setupcolors[state=start,conversion=yes,reduction=yes,rgb=no,cmyk=no]

:)

Cheers, Taco
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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-11 15:36     ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-04-11 16:10       ` luigi scarso
  2008-04-12  7:13         ` Hans Hagen
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From: luigi scarso @ 2008-04-11 16:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> luigi scarso wrote:
>  >>  at some point i will redo the backends, but i wonder if it really makes
>  >>  sense to support dvi any longer; i'd rather prepare for future formats
>  > xps ?
>
>  mars
A very nice subject to discuss here at pdf/a conference with Leonard Rosenthal
(why use a pdf format for archiving, and in the same moment push mars?
mars can be  XML->PDF->XML)
But I did'nt want to do that.
I have talkd last year in italy with Olaf Drümmer, he said the mars is
still an experiment .
 From my point of view xml is better for long term archiving.
>
>
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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-11 14:55     ` Martin Schröder
@ 2008-04-11 23:20       ` luigi scarso
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Martin Schröder <martin@oneiros.de> wrote:
> 2008/4/11, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com>:
>  > xps ?
>
>  http://tug.org/mailman/htdig/pdftex/2007-April/007112.html
>
hmm,
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2007/024777.html
hans wrote
"...i will look into that some time next year;.."
Well, a year later...



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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-11 16:10       ` luigi scarso
@ 2008-04-12  7:13         ` Hans Hagen
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luigi scarso wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>> luigi scarso wrote:
>>  >>  at some point i will redo the backends, but i wonder if it really makes
>>  >>  sense to support dvi any longer; i'd rather prepare for future formats
>>  > xps ?
>>
>>  mars
> A very nice subject to discuss here at pdf/a conference with Leonard Rosenthal
> (why use a pdf format for archiving, and in the same moment push mars?
> mars can be  XML->PDF->XML)
> But I did'nt want to do that.
> I have talkd last year in italy with Olaf Drümmer, he said the mars is
> still an experiment .
>  From my point of view xml is better for long term archiving.

xml is to bulky for an output format (apart from the slower parsing), so 
  i wonder if it is that good as format for final products; of course 
xml may be handier to manipulate afterwards (which is something we 
somethines need to do with third party inclusions) but that can be 
crippled by encriptions, compression etc; in my opinion xml should be 
readable and this somewhat conflicts with compression and binary chunks 
(fonts) and encryption etc .. in that case one gets angle brackets 
instead of objects and the rest stays the same (a bit comparable with 
svg, which just packages huge amounts of path info in attributes (kind 
of rediculous to use attributes for that); xml is nice, but nor for 
everything

we'll see

Hans

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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-11 15:24     ` Olivier Guéry
  2008-04-11 16:04       ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2008-04-12  7:16       ` Hans Hagen
  2008-04-12 10:43         ` Olivier Guéry
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-04-12  7:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Olivier Guéry wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:34 PM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  at some point i will redo the backends, but i wonder if it really makes
>>  >  sense to support dvi any longer; i'd rather prepare for future formats
>>  xps ?
> 
> Do you plan some support for the ebooks formats (epub, mobipocket) ?

it depends, we have one here and it's slow and the screen is already 
degrading (although the quality is not that bad); it's a matter of paper 
sizes and margins, so that can already be done; hyperlinks are 
suppoorted too, but normally very slow on such devices; one problem is 
that they use part of the screen for buttons and such which kind of 
conflicts with stand alone documents that have their own interface;

Hans

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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-12  7:16       ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-04-12 10:43         ` Olivier Guéry
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From: Olivier Guéry @ 2008-04-12 10:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
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>  > Do you plan some support for the ebooks formats (epub, mobipocket) ?
>
>  it depends, we have one here and it's slow and the screen is already
>  degrading (although the quality is not that bad); it's a matter of paper
>  sizes and margins, so that can already be done; hyperlinks are
>  suppoorted too, but normally very slow on such devices; one problem is
>  that they use part of the screen for buttons and such which kind of
>  conflicts with stand alone documents that have their own interface;

Thank's for your answers Hans and Taco.

I'm going to try to explain this in english… hum ;o)

I'm in contact with François Bon who launch 3 month ago this :
http://www.publie.net
It's a publisher of contemporary texts.
Since there's not a standard for numerical texts and lot of different
devices (a tabular [1]) you can download various formats on this site
:
— pdf (landscape style for computers) ;
— small pdf for ephone ;
— mobipocket prc [2] ;
— htm ;
— xml.

(I wich they use the epub openformat from idpf [3] too).

They use something like adobe indisgn for this (and maybe other things
for xml / html).
The result is not so good (lack of nbsp !)… it's a lot of work. They
do a lot « by hands ».

For my point of view ConTeXt (or an xml format ?) is the solution :
one low-level file and an automatisation process for all the other
files.

Except for some complex poetry, texts are « simple » (no columns, no
images…). On publie.net [4] you can read a few pages of all texts (pdf
using issuu [5]) and download the all texts in « public domain »
section [6], but only pdf and rtf formats.

What do you think ? Am I wrong ? Is the use of indisgn the right way ?

Best regards,
Olivier.

[1] http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E-book_Reader_Matrix
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobipocket
[3] http://www.idpf.org/
[4] http://www.publie.net
[5] http://www.issuu.com
[6] http://www.publie.net/tnc/spip.php?rubrique10

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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-11  9:45 ` Hans Hagen
  2008-04-11 14:34   ` luigi scarso
@ 2008-04-13 13:01   ` Mojca Miklavec
  2008-04-14  9:06     ` Wolfgang Schuster
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-04-13 13:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > is it possible to produce DVI files with Mark IV.
>  >
>  > I tried a simple file like
>  >
>  > \starttext
>  > text
>  > \stoptext
>  >
>  > with the command texexec --lua --backend=dvipdfm filename
>
>  no, at quite some places i've hardcoded a pdftex backend
>
>  at some point i will redo the backends, but i wonder if it really makes
>  sense to support dvi any longer; i'd rather prepare for future formats

Hello Wolfgang (and others),

I don't know if anyone has noticed it, but XeTeX "doesn't support" dvi
format either. It can create some intermediate format (xdv), but it's
rather useless - I don't know any software that can work with it. And
even if LuaTeX would support dvi, you still need to write support for
fonts in DVI previewers. (DVI=DeVice Independent - something that
would definitely not be true any more with OpenType fonts; or rather -
is not even true any more at this moment with dozens of PS specials)

Mojca
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* Re: MkIV and DVI output
  2008-04-13 13:01   ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2008-04-14  9:06     ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-04-14  9:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> >  > Hi,
> >  >
> >  > is it possible to produce DVI files with Mark IV.
> >  >
> >  > I tried a simple file like
> >  >
> >  > \starttext
> >  > text
> >  > \stoptext
> >  >
> >  > with the command texexec --lua --backend=dvipdfm filename
> >
> >  no, at quite some places i've hardcoded a pdftex backend
> >
> >  at some point i will redo the backends, but i wonder if it really makes
> >  sense to support dvi any longer; i'd rather prepare for future formats
>
> Hello Wolfgang (and others),
>
> I don't know if anyone has noticed it, but XeTeX "doesn't support" dvi
> format either. It can create some intermediate format (xdv), but it's
> rather useless - I don't know any software that can work with it. And
> even if LuaTeX would support dvi, you still need to write support for
> fonts in DVI previewers. (DVI=DeVice Independent - something that
> would definitely not be true any more with OpenType fonts; or rather -
> is not even true any more at this moment with dozens of PS specials)

Hi Mojca,

I know xdv is only a intermediate format in XeTeX and xdv2pdf and
xdvipdfmx are able to convert it into PDF format. I used always only the
pdftex backend for ConTeXt and used dvi only to play with a few macro
files where I needed it because they used PostScript to draw lines ...

I have also no dvi viewer on my system and I'm inable to take a look
at the output in dvi format.

I tried to play only a little bit with MkIV and dvi but I never wanted to
use it in real live, I tried only something what is at the moment only
possible with dvi output.

Wolfgang
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