From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/40390 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Wolfgang Schuster" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Discussion: correspondence with ConTeXt Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:13:54 +0200 Message-ID: <115224fb0804170113w70db8dadpb8528a18ef20c338@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208421204 19795 80.91.229.12 (17 Apr 2008 08:33:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:33:24 +0000 (UTC) To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Apr 17 10:33:58 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JmPZ8-0004Jz-E3 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:33:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0004F1FDE2; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:33:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 30286-03-68; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:32:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA971FD60; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:29:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B7D1FD59 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:29:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 32011-03-23 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:29:05 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C306C1FC1B for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:14:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2226600ywa.74 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.151.44.18 with SMTP id w18mr1247662ybj.184.1208420034870; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.150.49.21 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:40390 Archived-At: Hi all, Preface most of the discussions in the last weeks on the list concerned LuaTeX and MkIV with the topic fonts, xml and bugs, currently not implemented functions and bug and in the last few days also mplib. I will try start with this mail a hopefully interesting discuassions wuth many people about the current state to use ConTeXt for correspondence in personal and business live. Introduction Although ConTeXt has many features and can be used for nearly every type of document with many features to adapt the layout to ones personal requirements we have still a few places where something is missing or force us to use another tool. I will focus myself for the moment on the missing support for a real module to write letter and other correspondence. The Past and the present A few modules had been written in the past to write letter but wether they are not available like Hans own module or it is to complicated to use. Hans own module m-letter.tex was never included in the main distribution and the documentation [1] was never finished but it is now possible to find a older version in the list archives. The strong point on the module are the possibility to change the size and position of the address and reference fields but it was nearly impossible to add extra information like values for sender or to make big changes in the layout. The second option to write a letter was and is Holger Sch=F6ners letterstyle environment [2], he provided a layout for german letters with a DIN style and macros to store address and sender information. What looked like a good solution to me at first glance had also many disadvatages, the names for the fields in the refrence line used hard to memorize name like \lettersenderkey... and no high level interface to set them. Another point to me which prevented me from using the style was the hard way to change the layout, the environment provided commands to change the values but all was done with simple definition and no setup command. A few user write their own simple setups and environemnts to write letter [2,3] but none of them was really confugrable or provided a real interface. The future The lack of any good soution for this topic forced me to write my own letter module for ConTeXt. I started myself with Hans letter module and added a extra field to add my own address but this was at a time where I was still new to ConTeXt and most of the content in m-letter.tex where confusing to me and I had problem to adapt the layout to my own requirements. After I gained a little bit more knowledge in TeX and ConTeXt is started to write a new module from scratch with the option to load style files and set the information for the address and all other information with a better interface. After nearly one and a helf years and 2 major revisions I have nearly finished my module and would will make it now available also to other users. But before I make my last stable version online I want to discuss a few points with interested users. The discussion Before I start to give you information about my module and give you the chance to mention your own wishes or thoughts about the inteface I'm interested what do you use currently to write you own correspondence (letter, invoices etc.). After this interesting question for me I will now make a few information about my module available. The module use by default the definition for german business letters as layout where the position for the address block and the reference line are defined. To change the layout for your own letter I provide the option to change the default settings with the one for all command \setupletterstyle, you could use it to set the page layout, the position for the different blocks for address and sender information and also for the bodyfontsize and parskip and parindent. To use once defined for many letter you could save them in so called letterstyle files which can be loaded either with the module \usemodule[letter][style=3D...] or within the letter with the command \useletterstyle[...]. The lettertext is written between the \startletter ... \stopletter environment and it is possible to write in adcouemnt as many letters as you want, you could write serial letters and use the correspodence modul to save the address information in a XMl file. The values for letter are set with the \setupletter command but this is one of the still open points, the current implemtation requires sometimes to many lines for just a few information and I plan to replace it with a simpler system. Take the following minimal example \usemodule[letter] \setupletter [sender] [name=3D{Mike Meiers}, address=3D{Mustergasse 12\\25694 Musterstadt}] \setupletter [address] [name=3D{Hans Hansen}, address=3D{Zielweg 34\\78561 Tiny Town}] \starttext \startletter [opening=3D{Dear Hans,}] letter text \stopletter \stoptext As you can see the opening for the letter is set as optional argument for \startletter because it is also possible to write it in the long form \setupletter[data][opening=3D...] but a simpler system could be usefull especially if you want to set only text for address and something like \setupletter[fromname=3D...,address=3D...] or \setlettervalue[address]{...} are options to replace the current solution. Before I release I first public bety version of the modul I want to hear which interface to set the letter information do you prefer and do you have things do want in the module. I could provide more ready to use layout for the module (like block style for americal letter) but I need information about the layout and the position for the fields. Wolfgang Schuster [1] http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-man-29.htm [2] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Letter_style [3] http://www.tug.org/pracjourn/2006-3/hogg/ ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________