From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/41642 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Charles P. Schaum" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Geeze, I might try Linux after all... (not too off-tpic I hope) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:37:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1213364262.12924.31.camel@elbereth> References: <326847810806130328k73f9ed0bw4ec3ede296a29d55@mail.gmail.com> <48524f3a.0c92100a.08c9.fffff43f@mx.google.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213364645 23552 80.91.229.12 (13 Jun 2008 13:44:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:44:05 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Jun 13 15:44:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K79a5-00057k-VC for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:44:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227A61FB77; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:43:51 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29309-01-10; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:43:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1A41FC00; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:41:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D911FBD5 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:41:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29925-04 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:41:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.210]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id B42CE1FC11 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:37:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: (qmail 76658 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2008 13:37:40 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.103?) (verbo.solo@sbcglobal.net@70.242.148.76 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2008 13:37:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: q3AKdBcVM1laj556Dmd.LEDZEzXgMD60RgLtIrkT3SlFX7gnvH7ncfTu0ZI0mpcQiuUgxMlB9NPX8T2pBN3AqWW_aaQ4esBA9qoDLitc2BTO_EhJE0MP3NW3IS1rWroGh1NF4hxbDAbYVAbzv5cKKpUl X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <48524f3a.0c92100a.08c9.fffff43f@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.2 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:41642 Archived-At: I had a poor experience with "commercial" design software on Windows (by Serif, a company based out of the UK.) That pushed me to Linux. I started with Debian "woody" and right away I had to fetch and compile kernel modules from an Intel code base. I actually got Debian working well under the 2.4 kernel and KDE (cause Gnome 2 was only just starting). Then I went with Fedora, Mandrake, and SuSE. Each had strong and weak points, except Mandrake (now Mandriva) that only had weak points. I then toured through the BSD's and found that I like the X implementation there the best, but the desktop experience was not the best. I even tried Plan 9 and Solaris, which is slow. And I use a Mac for work. I now run FreeBSD on a server and Ubuntu on desktop. If you know Windows, then Mac, PC-BSD, and Ubuntu/Kubuntu are the likely candidates. Increasingly I grow irritated with Gnome, but KDE is also quite bloated. The Push Button Installer technology of PC-BSD, similar to Mac and Windows, will feel very "normal." TeX and friends work out of the box as TeX Live 2007 on Ubuntu and Kubuntu. There is no "port" for FreeBSD apart from TeTeX AFAIK but there are binaries that one can install under /usr/local. The BSD's have better docs than Linux. Period. And their kernel and userland come together in a full-features OS while Linux is a kernel and GNU, etc., userland. Kile for KDE and auctex with emacs are probably what you will be interested in. TeXmaker forked from Kile and it can be slow. TeXmacs and LyX are not strictly TeX/LaTeX, but close. I'm torn between a TeX packaged "distro" and independent construction either via TeX Live itself or DIY'ing it from CTAN. OTOH it's nice not to have to build your own texmf tree; but it can be done and I've done it by following the specs. Then again, if you are not LaTeXing things, you might not need it. It gives one, however, a certain air of self-gratification to master mktexlsr and have kpsewhich find stuff. Also anything Linux-based is likely to have someone's ideology about "freedom" of some sort butting into otherwise perfectly good software packages and delimiting the "non-free" stuff, resulting in, for example, the hyperlinked ConTeXt manuals not finding their links. With the BSD's you don't have this politicking down on the commune. But TeTeX is a bit outdated for my tastes. Charles On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 12:42 +0200, Alan Stone wrote: > ( Oops, pushed inadvertedly some key on my keyboard and the > message was away while in GMail - here's the sequel... ) > > Having heard Linux is, amongst other things, far more stable > I might be tempted to play with it and progressively build some > experience with it, master the beast and then switch some > applications, amongst which ConTeXt, to it. > > As I presently don't know a thing about Linux, which distribution > do you recommend ? > > Many thanks, > Alan > > At Friday 13/06/2008 12:28, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Yesterday WXP crashed and it took me a whole day to > >repair the thing and get it up and running again. > > > >Ha > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________