From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/41688 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Charles P. 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(verbo.solo@sbcglobal.net@70.242.148.76 with plain) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2008 00:41:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CWF4iVUVM1l1.B0_7zSRPOgBIYys8wiTgcQvJD6juN6TxO6i1TDxstSwYO.k0ySknhjD63SvQCKS3guNSSDRHZ3UdUzffvXVdK4XCfipzntqbff3Y3zAhkhVfGd8mXN0ihOUoEAluQZGrNX5iO0Ev9uY X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <83e5fb980806141605q3a16086fs4fd1dc5e6f019e6c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.2 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:41688 Archived-At: On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 01:05 +0200, Diego Depaoli wrote: > Furthermore let me doubt that a simplified installation it's enough to > persuade new users since ConTeXt requires manuals reading which is > universally considered a waste of time. In many cases, the nouveau Linux culture or Win/Mac users may not necessarily like to RTFMP, (P for Please) but anyone with any long-term Unix exposure does, because that's how it goes. ConTeXt makes its manuals far easier to get to than others in many cases. Linux man pages are lame. Mac man pages are decent because they come from BSD, but lots of Mac users hardly ever use Terminal. Windows users wouldn't know a man page if you hit them with one. But even commercial DTP on Mac and Win has some kind of HTML-based set of manuals/tutorials that they really encourage people to use. Once people are beyond your average office suite, they just have to read manuals or know design. That's why there's tons of stuff out there on the net. Same goes for web design. So I think that, by the time you get to ConTeXt, you might have to accept the old RTFMP as a sine qua non. I find the ConTeXt manuals to be exceptional, and I hope to sit down soon at least with the main ConTeXt EN manual and mark it up where I find editorial issues. I started using ConTeXt only recently and already I was able to do a book mock-up with endpapers, title page, indicia page, TOC, various front matter, chapters, appropriate page headings, and so on. Were I trying to use LaTeX or plain (I was seriously considering Lollipop) I would still be wanking around with it. So I've found the manuals invaluable. True, maybe something that is both really slow for beginners and faster for the experienced as an HTML-based set, either on-line or downloadable, wouldn't be bad to have. I actually have some of my own ideas for the topology of something like that. One thing that trips me up is not knowing when some bit of plain TeX should or should not be used. In any case, everyone using something TeX-related can benefit from the TeXbook. I enjoy it thoroughly. 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