* hyphenation question
@ 2008-06-25 10:18 Alan Stone
2008-06-25 12:55 ` Olivier Guéry
2008-06-25 14:16 ` Taco Hoekwater
0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Alan Stone @ 2008-06-25 10:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
In a document where
\mainlanguage[fr]
some words weren't hyphenated correctly
so I've put them in a hyphenation pattern
\hyphenation{
ap-pa-ren-ce
at-ten-dai-ent
com-men-cent
d'am-bi-tion
d'in-flu-en-ce
l'ap-pa-ren-ce
}
The only ones who still don't get hyphenated
corresponding to the above pattern are those
with d'..., l'...
Porqué ?
Alan
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread* Re: hyphenation question 2008-06-25 10:18 hyphenation question Alan Stone @ 2008-06-25 12:55 ` Olivier Guéry 2008-06-25 13:02 ` Alan Stone 2008-06-25 14:16 ` Taco Hoekwater 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Olivier Guéry @ 2008-06-25 12:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Alan Stone <software.list.1es9s@gmail.com> wrote: > In a document where > > \mainlanguage[fr] > > some words weren't hyphenated correctly > so I've put them in a hyphenation pattern > > \hyphenation{ > ap-pa-ren-ce > at-ten-dai-ent > com-men-cent > d'am-bi-tion > d'in-flu-en-ce > l'ap-pa-ren-ce > } I remember reading that in correct french typo we are not supposed to hypenate before the last « syllable ». If you have no choice, having only two letter is realy « bad ». Olivier. -- [Message tapé sur un clavier Bépo : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ] Olivier nemolivier@gmail.com http://nemolivier.blogspot.com ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: hyphenation question 2008-06-25 12:55 ` Olivier Guéry @ 2008-06-25 13:02 ` Alan Stone 2008-06-25 13:14 ` Alan Stone 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Alan Stone @ 2008-06-25 13:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Will comply. Thanks Olivier On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Olivier Guéry <nemolivier@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Alan Stone > <software.list.1es9s@gmail.com> wrote: >> In a document where >> >> \mainlanguage[fr] >> >> some words weren't hyphenated correctly >> so I've put them in a hyphenation pattern >> >> \hyphenation{ >> ap-pa-ren-ce >> at-ten-dai-ent >> com-men-cent >> d'am-bi-tion >> d'in-flu-en-ce >> l'ap-pa-ren-ce >> } > > I remember reading that in correct french typo we are not supposed to > hypenate before the last « syllable ». > If you have no choice, having only two letter is realy « bad ». > Olivier. ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: hyphenation question 2008-06-25 13:02 ` Alan Stone @ 2008-06-25 13:14 ` Alan Stone 2008-06-25 14:02 ` Olivier Guéry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Alan Stone @ 2008-06-25 13:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hmmm... that means there are a * lot * more words to add to the hyphenation pattern declaration. How do you instruct (Con)TeX(t) to "not hypenate before the last « syllable »" ? Alan On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Alan Stone <software.list.1es9s@gmail.com> wrote: > Will comply. > > Thanks Olivier > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Olivier Guéry <nemolivier@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I remember reading that in correct french typo we are not supposed to >> hypenate before the last « syllable ». >> If you have no choice, having only two letter is realy « bad ». >> Olivier. > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: hyphenation question 2008-06-25 13:14 ` Alan Stone @ 2008-06-25 14:02 ` Olivier Guéry 2008-06-26 10:29 ` Alan Stone 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Olivier Guéry @ 2008-06-25 14:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users We realy need to work on a wiki page with all these french rules. Once created I could ask some real typographist to help us (I hop they do help us…). Having the Artur's Rules for spacing would be a good start point. Olivier. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Alan Stone <software.list.1es9s@gmail.com> wrote: > Hmmm... that means there are a * lot * more words to add to the > hyphenation pattern declaration. > > How do you instruct (Con)TeX(t) to "not hypenate before the last « syllable »" ? > > Alan > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Alan Stone > <software.list.1es9s@gmail.com> wrote: >> Will comply. >> >> Thanks Olivier >> >> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Olivier Guéry <nemolivier@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I remember reading that in correct french typo we are not supposed to >>> hypenate before the last « syllable ». >>> If you have no choice, having only two letter is realy « bad ». >>> Olivier. >> > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > -- [Message tapé sur un clavier Bépo : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ] Olivier nemolivier@gmail.com http://nemolivier.blogspot.com ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: hyphenation question 2008-06-25 14:02 ` Olivier Guéry @ 2008-06-26 10:29 ` Alan Stone 2008-06-26 12:20 ` Mojca Miklavec 2008-06-26 15:06 ` Charles P. Schaum 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Alan Stone @ 2008-06-26 10:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users For your information... http://www.talo.nl/talo/download/documents/Language_Book.pdf There's a whole chapter on hyphenation rules for the European languages. Best, Alan >>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Olivier Guéry <nemolivier@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I remember reading that in correct french typo we are not supposed to >>>> hypenate before the last « syllable ». >>>> If you have no choice, having only two letter is realy « bad ». >>>> Olivier. ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: hyphenation question 2008-06-26 10:29 ` Alan Stone @ 2008-06-26 12:20 ` Mojca Miklavec 2008-06-26 13:14 ` Alan Stone 2008-06-26 15:06 ` Charles P. Schaum 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-06-26 12:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Alan Stone wrote: > For your information... > > http://www.talo.nl/talo/download/documents/Language_Book.pdf > > There's a whole chapter on hyphenation rules for the European languages. A magnificent reference! At least for Slovenian it's using the deprecated language name, mentioning the wrong set of special characters used, digraphs that don't even exist, at two different places mentioning a different set of digraphs, but neither exist (forgiving them the fact how horrible these are represented graphically), giving examples of hyphenated words that don't even exist in the language (not to say that they cannot even be spoken out), listing a miserably incomplete set of rules. Mentioning a reference that is not even included in the References at the end of document. Wow! I really wonder how they have managed to mix up all that. I hope that they are not selling that to anyone. Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: hyphenation question 2008-06-26 12:20 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-06-26 13:14 ` Alan Stone 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Alan Stone @ 2008-06-26 13:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1271 bytes --] Oh well, publishing is one of the ways some people like to brag about the labels they stick to their name: http://www.talo.nl/talo/contact/index.html For their information then, email: info@talo.nl ? ;O) Alan On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Mojca Miklavec < mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Alan Stone wrote: >> For your information... >> >> http://www.talo.nl/talo/download/documents/Language_Book.pdf >> >> There's a whole chapter on hyphenation rules for the European languages. > > A magnificent reference! > > At least for Slovenian it's using the deprecated language name, > mentioning the wrong set of special characters used, digraphs that > don't even exist, at two different places mentioning a different set > of digraphs, but neither exist (forgiving them the fact how horrible > these are represented graphically), giving examples of hyphenated > words that don't even exist in the language (not to say that they > cannot even be spoken out), listing a miserably incomplete set of > rules. Mentioning a reference that is not even included in the > References at the end of document. > > Wow! I really wonder how they have managed to mix up all that. I hope > that they are not selling that to anyone. > > Mojca [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1696 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: hyphenation question 2008-06-26 10:29 ` Alan Stone 2008-06-26 12:20 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-06-26 15:06 ` Charles P. Schaum 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Charles P. Schaum @ 2008-06-26 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Unfortunately, these chaps haven't read their Duden Band 1, Die Deutsche Rechtschreibung. I checked their examples against it and they are quite in error at times. That makes it notoriously difficult to figure out the proper from the improper. So they theoretically could have a good product and asked someone to go cheap on producing the PDF. Goodness knows, you wouldn't believe how many PhD's put their names on stuff that their research beetles really wrote. Still, it reflects poorly and hurts their business. I'd say that if they don't have their act together, let the free market sort it out. I can hyphenate all sorts of languages in Ubuntu just fine. Charles On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 12:29 +0200, Alan Stone wrote: > For your information... > > http://www.talo.nl/talo/download/documents/Language_Book.pdf > > There's a whole chapter on hyphenation rules for the European languages. > > Best, > Alan > > >>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Olivier Guéry <nemolivier@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I remember reading that in correct french typo we are not supposed to > >>>> hypenate before the last « syllable ». > >>>> If you have no choice, having only two letter is realy « bad ». > >>>> Olivier. > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: hyphenation question 2008-06-25 10:18 hyphenation question Alan Stone 2008-06-25 12:55 ` Olivier Guéry @ 2008-06-25 14:16 ` Taco Hoekwater 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-06-25 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Alan Stone wrote: > In a document where > > \mainlanguage[fr] > > some words weren't hyphenated correctly > so I've put them in a hyphenation pattern > > \hyphenation{ > ap-pa-ren-ce > at-ten-dai-ent > com-men-cent > d'am-bi-tion > d'in-flu-en-ce > l'ap-pa-ren-ce > } > > The only ones who still don't get hyphenated > corresponding to the above pattern are those > with d'..., l'... All characters taken into consideration for hyphenation need to have a non-zero \lccode, which is generally not true for ' (and for good reason, too!). If you never use ' as in ``see here'', you can set \lccode`\'=`\' and after that, it should work (but untested). Best wishes, Taco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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