* Force a hyphenation
@ 2022-03-16 15:48 Willi Egger via ntg-context
2022-03-16 16:00 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Willi Egger via ntg-context @ 2022-03-16 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
at the moment I am dealing with a German text. Although I have \mainlanguage[de] in the preamble the word 'des Eiweißes' is hyphenated as 'des Eiwei-ßes'. Of course this should be 'des Eiweis-ses'.
How can I make sure that ConTeXt is hyphenating this corerctly?
Kind regards
Willi
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2022-03-16 15:48 Force a hyphenation Willi Egger via ntg-context
@ 2022-03-16 16:00 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-03-16 16:17 ` Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context
2022-03-16 16:39 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2022-03-16 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 3/16/2022 4:48 PM, Willi Egger via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi,
>
> at the moment I am dealing with a German text. Although I have \mainlanguage[de] in the preamble the word 'des Eiweißes' is hyphenated as 'des Eiwei-ßes'. Of course this should be 'des Eiweis-ses'.
>
> How can I make sure that ConTeXt is hyphenating this corerctly?
\startexceptions[de]
Eiwei{s-}{s}{ß}es
\stopexceptions
\mainlanguage[de]
\starttext
\hsize 1mm Eiweißes
\stoptext
Hans
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2022-03-16 15:48 Force a hyphenation Willi Egger via ntg-context
2022-03-16 16:00 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
@ 2022-03-16 16:17 ` Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context
2022-03-16 16:29 ` Arthur Rosendahl via ntg-context
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context @ 2022-03-16 16:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Willi,
I must admit that after the reform some 20 years ago, I'm no longer
certain about German rules. But I think that in fact, according to the
new rules, ß is no longer hyphenated the way you suggest. Duden § 164.3:
"Ein einzelner Konsonantenbuchstabe im Wortinneren kommt in der Regel
auf die neue Zeile; von mehreren Konsonantbuchstaben trennt man nur den
letzten ab.
Zum Beispiel
[…]
Grü-ße, hei-ßen
So Eiwei-ßes may in fact be correct... But I assume that Arthur has some
authoritative answer to this question.
Best
Thomas
On 3/16/22 16:48, Willi Egger via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi,
>
> at the moment I am dealing with a German text. Although I have \mainlanguage[de] in the preamble the word 'des Eiweißes' is hyphenated as 'des Eiwei-ßes'. Of course this should be 'des Eiweis-ses'.
>
> How can I make sure that ConTeXt is hyphenating this corerctly?
>
> Kind regards
> Willi
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2022-03-16 16:17 ` Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context
@ 2022-03-16 16:29 ` Arthur Rosendahl via ntg-context
2022-03-17 8:56 ` Willi Egger via ntg-context
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From: Arthur Rosendahl via ntg-context @ 2022-03-16 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 05:17:46PM +0100, Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context wrote:
> So Eiwei-ßes may in fact be correct... But I assume that Arthur has some
> authoritative answer to this question.
I’ll refer to the German hyphenation pattern list as an authority
(https://lists.dante.de/mailman/listinfo/trennmuster) :-) But I do
believe that you, Thomas, are right and that Eiwei-ßes is correct (while
Ei-weißes is much better anyway). It is in fact logical: ‘ß’ in the new
spelling means that the preceding sound is long, hence it has to be
spelt that way always, not “analysed” as ‘ss’. If you were to hyphenate
Straße as Stras-se, it would indicate a different pronunciation.
Best,
Arthur
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* Re: Force a hyphenation
2022-03-16 16:29 ` Arthur Rosendahl via ntg-context
@ 2022-03-17 8:56 ` Willi Egger via ntg-context
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From: Willi Egger via ntg-context @ 2022-03-17 8:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Willi Egger
Thanks everybody very much for the explanations. — As I am Swiss, these matters with ß were never correctly understood and my knowledge about hyphenation is old…
Thank you Thomas for pointing me to the Duden-rules. I will check-out the same issue about ck and k-k …
Kind regards
Willi
> On 16 Mar 2022, at 17:29, Arthur Rosendahl via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 05:17:46PM +0100, Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context wrote:
>> So Eiwei-ßes may in fact be correct... But I assume that Arthur has some
>> authoritative answer to this question.
>
> I’ll refer to the German hyphenation pattern list as an authority
> (https://lists.dante.de/mailman/listinfo/trennmuster) :-) But I do
> believe that you, Thomas, are right and that Eiwei-ßes is correct (while
> Ei-weißes is much better anyway). It is in fact logical: ‘ß’ in the new
> spelling means that the preceding sound is long, hence it has to be
> spelt that way always, not “analysed” as ‘ss’. If you were to hyphenate
> Straße as Stras-se, it would indicate a different pronunciation.
>
> Best,
>
> Arthur
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* Re: Force a hyphenation
2022-03-16 15:48 Force a hyphenation Willi Egger via ntg-context
2022-03-16 16:00 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-03-16 16:17 ` Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context
@ 2022-03-16 16:39 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context @ 2022-03-16 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Willi Egger via ntg-context; +Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 16.03.22 um 16:48 schrieb Willi Egger via ntg-context:
> Hi,
>
> at the moment I am dealing with a German text. Although I have \mainlanguage[de] in the preamble the word 'des Eiweißes' is hyphenated as 'des Eiwei-ßes'. Of course this should be 'des Eiweis-ses'.
>
> How can I make sure that ConTeXt is hyphenating this corerctly?
Sorry, Willi, but that hyphenation is correct, and your suggestion was
also wrong in the previous iterations of German orthography. Only ck was
changed to k-k; hyphenation of ß a s-s was only allowed if you replaced
ß by ss anyway (like in Switzerland).
Hraban
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