From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/18863 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas A.Schmitz Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: critical editions in context Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:34:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1245b284b7ba7296b7a7ef9773bc0d78@uni-bonn.de> References: <0533666F-ECD1-11D7-8EC5-00039318D414@uni-bonn.de> <5.2.0.9.1.20030923174431.0214f7b8@server-1> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1110634558 1526 80.91.229.2 (12 Mar 2005 13:35:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Mar 12 14:35:58 2005 Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DA6lH-0001My-6t for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:34:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A642D127C7; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:35:17 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01646-02; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:35:14 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C750112798; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:35:14 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A5112798 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:35:13 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01702-01-2 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:35:12 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4A11278D for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:35:12 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from fwd21.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DA6ls-00014i-01; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:35:12 +0100 Original-Received: from [192.168.0.2] (Go1PFBZaoeXm0Et5GSDwdTfusiYI24c3PnTbvsXI2y7HeXrlreWVEj@[217.81.177.151]) by fwd21.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DA6ln-1vyXzc0; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:35:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.1.20030923174431.0214f7b8@server-1> Original-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ID: Go1PFBZaoeXm0Et5GSDwdTfusiYI24c3PnTbvsXI2y7HeXrlreWVEj@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 86a1d29d-db1e-4594-beaa-de5b77986303 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-MailScanner-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-MailScanner-To: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:18863 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:18863 OK, I feel guilty resurrecting this stale thread, but I can't resist asking again. I found this in m-arabtex.tex: % \pushmacro\edmacloaded \let \edmacloaded \undefined and later % \popmacro\edmacloaded Both lines are commented out, so I'm still wondering if The absolute basics that are needed for critical editions are: 1. Capability to have footnotes with reference to line-number instead of counter. These notes must not end with a newline character (see ASCII-art at end of post), but must provide the possibility to have several on one line. These notes must not flow, they have to stay on the same page as the reference. Horizontal tolerance can be set to very sloppy to achieve this 2. Must be possible to apply a format like \bf vel. sim. to the reference. 3. Within these notes, it should be possible to refer to other line numbers. 4. Nice, but not quite essential: possibility to have notes in more than one column. 5. Not absolutely basic, but important for serious work: have more than one set of notes referring to the same passage. Is this possible in ConTeXt "out of the box"? If not, I'd be willing to roll up my sleeves and help, but would like to know which would be a good starting point. I looked at core-ltn.tex. I'm not sure if core-nnt and page-nnt refer to core-not and page-not; I couldn't find anything appropriate in these files. Best Thomas Example what should be possible: 1 This manual is about ConTEXt, a system for typesetting documents. 2 Central element in this name is the word TEX because the typographical 3 programming language TEX is the base for ConTEXt. People who are used 4 to TEX will probably identify this manual as a TEX document. They recognise 5 the use of \. One may also notice that the way pararaphs are broken into lines 6 is often better than in the avarage typesetting system. 1 manual A: handbook B 2 name A: concept B,C typographical A: computational B, euphoric C 4 manual A: handbook B (as in l. 1) On Sep 23, 2003, at 5:46 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > At 09:12 23/09/2003 -0600, you wrote: >> Hi Thomas, >> >> "Thomas A.Schmitz" wrote: >> >> > In March/April 2002, Hans and Idris had an interesting exchange >> about >> > the topic "critical editions in context" here in ntg-context; the >> main >> > question was whether the functionality of edmac could be >> implemented in >> > context. I'd be curious to know whether anything came out of it, I >> > couldn't find any follow-up. >> >> Hans has already done some preliminary work in this direction. I >> could not >> completely test it because the implementations used hooks from e-TeX. >> Now >> that eOmega/Aleph is available I will be able to be a bit more >> proactive in >> testing/suggesting things. >> >> I don't remember if Hans added the xperimental stuff for critical >> editions >> to the latest beta. But I'm going to have to start testing this stuff >> soon, >> because the next issue of our journal is supposed to have a couple of >> small >> Arabic critical editions in it. > > if i'm right, you have somewhere: > > \input page-nnt > \input core-nnt > \input core-lnt > > (multiple footnote classes, arbitrary footnote placement, line refs in > footnotes and so) > > Hans