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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
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        Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ntg-context@n=
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        On 4/26/24 15:33, <a href=3D"mailto:denis.maier@unibe.ch">denis.mai=
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         As the source is XML, I cannot just add an empty line to start a n=
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        Hi Denis,
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        I must confess I don=E2=80=99t get which is your actual question.
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        \blank works here and you know that (since you included it in your =
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       Thanks for your answer and sorry for not being clearer. I was just w=
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ht be related to XML, to but then realized it happens with context markup a=
s well. Usually, you won't run into this because an empty line works, but w=
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     <br>The lines environment treats each line of the input as paragraph b=
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     Ok. I'll have a look at this module. Just two questions:
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     1. so did this behavior change?&nbsp;
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hat's this group of paragraphs then? Can you manually switch to the next on=
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   <br>The inbetween setting works because ConTeXt checks at the start of e=
ach line whether it's empty (in this case the value is used) or not.
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   <br>When you add a \par you just end the current line/paragraph and it d=
oesn't matter how many \par's you use because TeX just ignores them.
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   <br>Wolfgang
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   I see. But there's no command that could be used to simulate an empty li=
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   If not, me should I perhaps try to replicate the wrapper structure from =
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