From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/70028 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas Schneider Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:47:54 +0200 Message-ID: <1310719674.4e1ffeba453cb@go.aksdb.de> References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310719168 15103 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2011 08:39:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:39:28 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Jul 15 10:39:23 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhdvd-0003x6-5q for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:39:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF7BCAE45; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:39:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id JVXHlW0h35FH; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:39:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D299ACAE3D; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:39:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800ADCAE3D for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:39:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xyx8i0EN30UA for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:39:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter4-til.mf.surf.net (filter4-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.220]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CBACAC8D for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:39:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by filter4-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with SMTP id p6F8dAu0021224 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:39:13 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Jul 2011 08:39:10 -0000 Original-Received: from aksdb.de (EHLO go.aksdb.de) [78.46.84.203] by mail.gmx.net (mp059) with SMTP; 15 Jul 2011 10:39:10 +0200 X-Authenticated: #2825193 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18nXvxy5ZYnwuczWrZloMt4rtRKfFAlCyF1Y4Iw14 CYaxWQcUPHscRN X-MimeOLE: Produced by Group-Office 3.7.24 In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Group-Office 3.7.24 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.165.64.23; country=DE; latitude=51.0000; longitude=9.0000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=51.0000,9.0000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 05F88DaV6 - b55332d6e558 - 20110715 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.216 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:70028 Archived-At: At Friday, 15.07.2011 on 10:17 Cecil Westerhof wrote: > Properly that anybody that knows how to write a document in Microsoft Office > can change the document. So standard software, with a low learning curve. I > had some problems getting them to accept to use Adobe. And now that turns > out to be not a real option. Learning all the time as Benny Hill said. That's absolutely not true. MS Office Word has a pretty steep learning curve, people just neglect that and take it for a slightly more complex notepad. It's not, as can be seen be the loads of completely unprofessional done documents ... not consistent styles, no auto generated index, no cross references, no proper bibliography (where it applies), etc. (Hell, I even saw documents where footnotes where done [superscript] and numbered manually.) That's exactly the problem with Word, Writer, etc., that people think it's an easy to use tool, just because it's WYSIWYG. If you don't know what you are doing, you WILL do it wrong, even (or especially) with such an "easy" tool as Word or Writer. In contrast a tool like ConTeXt forces you to learn and therefore makes it a lot harder to f*ck up a document. I also did our technical documentation in ConTeXt, after porting it over from Word. My colleagues didn't know *TeX and still manage to change and enhance the document as needed. I provided the necessary platform (project structure, lua scripts etc.) so the document itself is only a frontend using easy-to-comprehend commands. I also built an installer that installs a specific ConTeXt Minimals version, the necessary modules, and a preconfigured TeXworks, so they don't even have to setup that or play around with proxy settings for firstsetup.bat. Also with TeXworks it's already pretty WYSIWYG, imho. Change the code, hit "run", and see the result :) > No the problem is not the layout. They are satisfied with that. They just do > not want to be dependent on our company. They don't have to. Give them ConTeXt, give them TeXworks, give them the source to the documents. Then they can do whatever they want. > That is what I mend that in hindsight I should not have used ConTeXt. ;-} Maybe, but if the customer/client didn't specify in advance, that they want it done in Word, how could you know? If you used Indesign or something else they would be f*cked too - because these tools are simply not meant to be used without learning first. (Although, as said earlier, Word and similar tools aren't meant to be used without learning too ... many people just think it is.) Best Regards, Andreas. ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________