* Text in a box now broken
@ 2011-11-22 5:23 Kip Warner
2011-11-22 5:49 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Kip Warner @ 2011-11-22 5:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hey folks,
I noticed as of maybe a week ago, that all of the text I have positioned
inside of a box has disappeared. I can see everything else, as before,
but not the stuff in the box. The box just shows up as a mangled line.
The following is a minimal example from ConTeXt version 2011.11.17
09:18. This code was working just fine a few days ago.
\definestartstop
[TimelineDocument]
[before={
\crlf
\setupbackground[frame=on,
before=\blank,
after=\blank,
corner=round,
topoffset=0.5cm,
leftoffset=0.5cm,
rightoffset=0.5cm,
bottomoffset=0.5cm]
\startbackground
},
after={
\stopbackground
\crlf
},
commands={\setupalign[yes]},
style=italic]
\starttext
\startTimelineDocument
Some stuff in a box.
\stopTimelineDocument
\stoptext
Thanks a lot.
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* Re: Text in a box now broken
2011-11-22 5:23 Text in a box now broken Kip Warner
@ 2011-11-22 5:49 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-11-22 21:28 ` Kip Warner
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-11-22 5:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 22.11.2011 um 06:23 schrieb Kip Warner:
> Hey folks,
>
> I noticed as of maybe a week ago, that all of the text I have positioned
> inside of a box has disappeared. I can see everything else, as before,
> but not the stuff in the box. The box just shows up as a mangled line.
>
> The following is a minimal example from ConTeXt version 2011.11.17
> 09:18. This code was working just fine a few days ago.
This is tested and works on my machine:
\definebackground
[TimelineDocumentFrame]
[frame=on,
before=\blank,
after=\blank,
corner=round,
topoffset=0.5cm,
rightoffset=0.5cm]
\definestartstop
[TimelineDocument]
[before=\startTimelineDocumentFrame,
after=\stopTimelineDocumentFrame,
style=italic]
\starttext
\startTimelineDocument
Some stuff in a box.
\stopTimelineDocument
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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* Re: Text in a box now broken
2011-11-22 5:49 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2011-11-22 21:28 ` Kip Warner
2011-11-22 23:43 ` Kip Warner
2011-11-23 1:41 ` Kip Warner
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From: Kip Warner @ 2011-11-22 21:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 06:49 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> This is tested and works on my machine:
>
> \definebackground
> [TimelineDocumentFrame]
> [frame=on,
> before=\blank,
> after=\blank,
> corner=round,
> topoffset=0.5cm,
> rightoffset=0.5cm]
>
> \definestartstop
> [TimelineDocument]
> [before=\startTimelineDocumentFrame,
> after=\stopTimelineDocumentFrame,
> style=italic]
>
> \starttext
>
> \startTimelineDocument
> Some stuff in a box.
> \stopTimelineDocument
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
Thanks Wolfgang. You're always very helpful. Any idea why my version
stopped working or why it is not a good approach?
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* Re: Text in a box now broken
2011-11-22 5:49 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-11-22 21:28 ` Kip Warner
@ 2011-11-22 23:43 ` Kip Warner
2011-11-23 1:41 ` Kip Warner
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From: Kip Warner @ 2011-11-22 23:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 06:49 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> This is tested and works on my machine:
>
> \definebackground
> [TimelineDocumentFrame]
> [frame=on,
> before=\blank,
> after=\blank,
> corner=round,
> topoffset=0.5cm,
> rightoffset=0.5cm]
>
> \definestartstop
> [TimelineDocument]
> [before=\startTimelineDocumentFrame,
> after=\stopTimelineDocumentFrame,
> style=italic]
>
> \starttext
>
> \startTimelineDocument
> Some stuff in a box.
> \stopTimelineDocument
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
Hey Wolfgang. One other thing. Your \definebackground and
\defomestartstop works fine in the minimal example you gave, but if I
take it into my environment of my existing project and replace my old
\definestartstop with that, I still have the same problem of the mangled
box with no visible text in it.
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* Re: Text in a box now broken
2011-11-22 5:49 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-11-22 21:28 ` Kip Warner
2011-11-22 23:43 ` Kip Warner
@ 2011-11-23 1:41 ` Kip Warner
2011-11-23 8:57 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Kip Warner @ 2011-11-23 1:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
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On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 06:49 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> This is tested and works on my machine:
>
> \definebackground
> [TimelineDocumentFrame]
> [frame=on,
> before=\blank,
> after=\blank,
> corner=round,
> topoffset=0.5cm,
> rightoffset=0.5cm]
>
> \definestartstop
> [TimelineDocument]
> [before=\startTimelineDocumentFrame,
> after=\stopTimelineDocumentFrame,
> style=italic]
>
> \starttext
>
> \startTimelineDocument
> Some stuff in a box.
> \stopTimelineDocument
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
Hey Wolfgang. I just retested your minimal and realized that while it
does work, only for the first box. Try this and you'll see what I mean:
\definebackground
[TimelineDocumentFrame]
[frame=on,
before=\blank,
after=\blank,
corner=round,
topoffset=0.5cm,
rightoffset=0.5cm]
\definestartstop
[TimelineDocument]
[before=\startTimelineDocumentFrame,
after=\stopTimelineDocumentFrame,
style=italic]
\starttext
\startTimelineDocument
Some stuff in a box.
\stopTimelineDocument
\startTimelineDocument
Some more stuff in a box.
\stopTimelineDocument
\stoptext
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* Re: Text in a box now broken
2011-11-23 1:41 ` Kip Warner
@ 2011-11-23 8:57 ` Hans Hagen
2011-11-23 9:01 ` Kip Warner
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-11-23 8:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Kip Warner
On 23-11-2011 02:41, Kip Warner wrote:
> Hey Wolfgang. I just retested your minimal and realized that while it
> does work, only for the first box. Try this and you'll see what I mean:
fixed in next beta
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* Re: Text in a box now broken
2011-11-23 8:57 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-11-23 9:01 ` Kip Warner
2011-11-23 9:16 ` Hans Hagen
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On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 09:57 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> fixed in next beta
Thanks Hans. I thought something was amiss and figured it was a bug,
since it was working fine until a recent new version of ConTeXt.
Hopefully the PPA I am drawing ConTeXt from pulls the fixed version some
time soon. Was the fix committed to mainline?
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* Re: Text in a box now broken
2011-11-23 9:01 ` Kip Warner
@ 2011-11-23 9:16 ` Hans Hagen
2011-11-23 9:25 ` Kip Warner
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-11-23 9:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kip Warner; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On 23-11-2011 10:01, Kip Warner wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 09:57 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> fixed in next beta
>
> Thanks Hans. I thought something was amiss and figured it was a bug,
> since it was working fine until a recent new version of ConTeXt.
> Hopefully the PPA I am drawing ConTeXt from pulls the fixed version some
> time soon. Was the fix committed to mainline?
if you consider beta to be mainline, yes (but not yet uploaded)
(it was a side effect of mkiv-ing the code .. keep in mind that these
backgrounds are somewhat old .. textbackgrounds are an alternative)
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* Re: Text in a box now broken
2011-11-23 9:16 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-11-23 9:25 ` Kip Warner
2011-11-23 10:03 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Kip Warner @ 2011-11-23 9:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 10:16 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> if you consider beta to be mainline, yes (but not yet uploaded)
>
> (it was a side effect of mkiv-ing the code .. keep in mind that these
> backgrounds are somewhat old .. textbackgrounds are an alternative)
Understood. Do you have a more appropriate version of what I was trying
to do using textbackgounds instead?
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* Re: Text in a box now broken
2011-11-23 9:25 ` Kip Warner
@ 2011-11-23 10:03 ` Hans Hagen
2011-11-23 19:02 ` Kip Warner
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-11-23 10:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 23-11-2011 10:25, Kip Warner wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 10:16 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> if you consider beta to be mainline, yes (but not yet uploaded)
>>
>> (it was a side effect of mkiv-ing the code .. keep in mind that these
>> backgrounds are somewhat old .. textbackgrounds are an alternative)
>
> Understood. Do you have a more appropriate version of what I was trying
> to do using textbackgounds instead?
it depends .. if you have small boxes, you as well use a regular
framedtext (with background) or when you span pages you can use
textbackgrounds ... the backgrounds you use is some compromise
Hans
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* Re: Text in a box now broken
2011-11-23 10:03 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-11-23 19:02 ` Kip Warner
2011-11-23 19:08 ` Hans Hagen
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On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 11:03 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> it depends .. if you have small boxes, you as well use a regular
> framedtext (with background) or when you span pages you can use
> textbackgrounds ... the backgrounds you use is some compromise
Hmm, I am using boxes that sometimes span multiple pages. This is what I
was using originally. How would it look if it used textbackgrounds?
\definestartstop
[TimelineDocument]
[before={
\crlf
\setupbackground[frame=on,
before=\blank,
after=\blank,
corner=round,
topoffset=0.5cm,
leftoffset=0.5cm,
rightoffset=0.5cm,
bottomoffset=0.5cm]
\startbackground
},
after={
\stopbackground
\crlf
},
commands={\setupalign[yes]},
style=italic]
\starttext
\startTimelineDocument
Some stuff in a box.
\stopTimelineDocument
\stoptext
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* Re: Text in a box now broken
2011-11-23 19:02 ` Kip Warner
@ 2011-11-23 19:08 ` Hans Hagen
2011-11-24 1:37 ` Kip Warner
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-11-23 19:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kip Warner; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On 23-11-2011 20:02, Kip Warner wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 11:03 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> it depends .. if you have small boxes, you as well use a regular
>> framedtext (with background) or when you span pages you can use
>> textbackgrounds ... the backgrounds you use is some compromise
>
> Hmm, I am using boxes that sometimes span multiple pages. This is what I
> was using originally. How would it look if it used textbackgrounds?
>
> \definestartstop
> [TimelineDocument]
> [before={
> \crlf
> \setupbackground[frame=on,
> before=\blank,
> after=\blank,
> corner=round,
> topoffset=0.5cm,
> leftoffset=0.5cm,
> rightoffset=0.5cm,
> bottomoffset=0.5cm]
> \startbackground
> },
> after={
> \stopbackground
> \crlf
> },
> commands={\setupalign[yes]},
> style=italic]
>
> \starttext
> \startTimelineDocument
> Some stuff in a box.
> \stopTimelineDocument
> \stoptext
>
google: context wiki textbackground
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* Re: Text in a box now broken
2011-11-23 19:08 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-11-24 1:37 ` Kip Warner
2011-11-24 8:44 ` Hans Hagen
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On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 20:08 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> google: context wiki textbackground
Thanks, but I still don't know what was wrong with the old method. In
any case, I am experimenting now with textbackground. Thanks again for
your help.
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2011-11-24 1:37 ` Kip Warner
@ 2011-11-24 8:44 ` Hans Hagen
2011-11-24 22:57 ` Kip Warner
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-11-24 8:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 24-11-2011 02:37, Kip Warner wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 20:08 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> google: context wiki textbackground
>
> Thanks, but I still don't know what was wrong with the old method. In
> any case, I am experimenting now with textbackground. Thanks again for
> your help.
the old one is fixed anyway
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2011-11-24 8:44 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-11-24 22:57 ` Kip Warner
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On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 09:44 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> the old one is fixed anyway
Thanks anyways.
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