Re: kap: real?

Re: kap: real?

[Taco Hoekwater]

>>>>> "FG" == Frans Goddijn <fg@fgbbs.iaf.nl> writes:

 FG> said Hans Hagen to All:

 HH> \kap is for pseudo kaps.
 HH> 
 HH> Use {\sc Frans} for real ones.

 FG> except this would give a strange character instead of the upper
 FG> caps F wouldn't it?

 FG> I made a macro saying

 FG> \def\mykap#1{{\sc #1}}

\def\mycap#1{{\sc \lowercase{#1}}}

Taco
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Re: kap: real?

[Hans Hagen]

Frans Goddijn wrote:

>  HH> Well, in a decent small caps font, the uppercase are just the
>  HH> normal uppercase and the lowercase become smaller uppercase. So, if
>  HH> you got a strange character, your font is wrong.
> 
> Are you sure? I am convinced that in the expert set that I bought, there
> are small caps, which I get when I use \sc and there are just these small
> caps in the expert set with oldstyle numbers too, but no "lower case" and
> "upper case" small caps.

Hm. 

>  HH> \unexpanded\def\mykap#1{{\sc\lowercase{#1}}}
> 
> That's slightly longer than Taco's example so I guess it's more deluxe?
> What does the \unexpanded do here?

It makes tests possible, like in \doifelse{whatever \myka{...}
...}{Frans} ....
For the moment, forget about it. E-tex (taco-tex) us supposed to solve
this -).

Hans

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kap: real?

[Frans Goddijn]

said Hans Hagen  to All:

 HH> Well, in a decent small caps font, the uppercase are just the
 HH> normal uppercase and the lowercase become smaller uppercase. So, if
 HH> you got a strange character, your font is wrong.   

Are you sure? I am convinced that in the expert set that I bought, there
are small caps, which I get when I use \sc and there are just these small
caps in the expert set with oldstyle numbers too, but no "lower case" and
"upper case" small caps. 

 HH> \unexpanded\def\mykap#1{{\sc\lowercase{#1}}}

That's slightly longer than Taco's example so I guess it's more deluxe?
What does the \unexpanded do here?

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Re: kap: real?

[Hans Hagen]

Frans Goddijn wrote:
> 
> said Hans Hagen  to All:
> 
>  HH> \kap is for pseudo kaps.
>  HH>
>  HH> Use {\sc Frans} for real ones.
> 
> except this would give a strange character instead of the upper caps F
> wouldn't it?

Well, in a decent small caps font, the uppercase are just the normal
uppercase and the lowercase become smaller uppercase. So, if you got a
strange character, your font is wrong.   

> I made a macro saying
> 
> \def\mykap#1{{\sc #1}}
> 
> so I can say \mykap{frans} in true small caps
> 
> ideally I should add a command to the macro ensuring that everything for
> \mykap is in lower caps. I know it's somewhere in a manual...

\unexpanded\def\mykap#1{{\sc\lowercase{#1}}}

Hans

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kap: real?

[Frans Goddijn]

said Hans Hagen  to All:

 HH> \kap is for pseudo kaps. 
 HH>  
 HH> Use {\sc Frans} for real ones. 

except this would give a strange character instead of the upper caps F
wouldn't it?

I made a macro saying

\def\mykap#1{{\sc #1}}

so I can say \mykap{frans} in true small caps

ideally I should add a command to the macro ensuring that everything for
\mykap is in lower caps. I know it's somewhere in a manual...

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Re: kap: real?

[Hans Hagen]

Frans Goddijn wrote:

> If I do \kap{cpnb} for small caps, do I get "real" small caps of the fake
> computer generated small caps?

\kap is for pseudo kaps. 

Use {\sc Frans} for real ones. 

Hans

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kap: real?

[Frans Goddijn]

Maybe this is one purely for Taco, who set up my Times collection for
ConTeXt, but it might be of interest to others too...

If I do \kap{cpnb} for small caps, do I get "real" small caps of the fake
computer generated small caps?

I suppose I could find out. If the small caps are real than \kap{CPnb}
should show weird characters for the first two upper caps characters.

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