Palatino

Palatino

[Matthew Baker]

I don't think this is specifically a ConTeXt question but there are some
font gurus on this list.

I have written a font-ppl.tex for the Palatino font  it has

\definefontsynonym [Serif]            [Palatino-Roman]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBold]        [Palatino-Bold]
\definefontsynonym [SerifItalic]      [Palatino-Italic]
\definefontsynonym [SerifSlanted]     [Palatino-Slanted]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic]  [Palatino-BoldItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBoldSlanted] [Palatino-BoldSlanted]
\definefontsynonym [SerifCaps]        [Palatino-Roman]

In font-fit.tex I have added

\definefontsynonym [Palatino-Roman]           [pplr]  [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [Palatino-Italic]          [pplri] [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [Palatino-Slanted]         [pplro] [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [Palatino-Bold]            [pplb]  [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [Palatino-BoldItalic]      [pplbi] [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [Palatino-BoldSlanted]     [pplbo] [encoding=texnansi]

pdftex.conf already contained the lines

pplb8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplb8a.pfb
pplbi8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplbi8a.pfb
pplbo8r ".167 SlantFont TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplb8a.pfb
pplr8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplr8a.pfb
pplri8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplri8a.pfb
pplro8r ".167 SlantFont TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplr8a.pfb

Now \setupbodyfont[ppl] gives me Palatino in with appropriate variants.
Accented letters work fine but the sharp S doesn't come up, ` comes out at
' and there seem to be no ligatures.

Is this an encoding problem or are these likely to be missing from the
font?  I have tried various encodings (with \useencoding), all of which
give me the same thing.

- Matt

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Re: Palatino

[Taco Hoekwater]

>>>>> "MB" == Matthew Baker <Matthew.Baker@gmd.de> writes:

 MB> I don't think this is specifically a ConTeXt question but there
 MB> are some font gurus on this list.

But is *is* a context question.

 MB> I have written a font-ppl.tex for the Palatino font it has

 MB> In font-fit.tex I have added

font-fit ?? What's that?

 MB> \definefontsynonym [Palatino-Roman] [pplr] [encoding=texnansi]

 MB> pdftex.conf already contained the lines

 MB> pplb8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplb8a.pfb

TeXBase1Encoding becomes ec.enc, depending on user-level *8t files.
Therefore, the previous section is wrong. You need lines like:

   \definefontsynonym [Palatino-Italic] [pplri8t] [encoding=ec]

(add 8t suffixes and change all encodings to ec)

Greetings,

Taco
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Re: Palatino

[Matthew Baker]

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> TeXBase1Encoding becomes ec.enc, depending on user-level *8t files.
> Therefore, the previous section is wrong. You need lines like:
> 
>    \definefontsynonym [Palatino-Italic] [pplri8t] [encoding=ec]
> 
> (add 8t suffixes and change all encodings to ec)

Ah, I see.  I have changed my lines in font-ppl.tex to be like above and
still have lines of the form

   pplb8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplb8a.pfb

in pdftex.conf.  Everything still works as before except ß comes up as SS
(I always get this with the ec encoding in ConTeXt).  And I still have no
ligatures.  Do I need to change pdftex.conf?

Oh when I wrote "font-fit.tex" I meant "font-fil.tex".

- Matt

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germandbls

[Taco Hoekwater]

>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Baker <Matthew.Baker@gmd.de> writes:

    Matthew> in pdftex.conf.  Everything still works as before except
    Matthew> ß comes up as SS (I always get this with the ec encoding
    Matthew> in ConTeXt).  And I still have no ligatures.  Do I need

There are two problems here at the same time I think, one in
enco-ec.tex and one in your input file.

- enco-ec misses a line. Hans, please add this one close to the SS one:

\definecharacter ss 255

(have to regenerate formats after that change)

- you need \useencoding[win] for ß to map to the right control sequence.

Taco

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Re: Palatino

[Taco Hoekwater]

    Matthew> Ah, I see.  I have changed my lines in font-ppl.tex to be
    Matthew> like above and still have lines of the form

    Matthew>    pplb8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
    Matthew> <uplb8a.pfb

    Matthew> in pdftex.conf.  Everything still works as before except
    Matthew> ß comes up as SS (I always get this with the ec encoding
    Matthew> in ConTeXt).  And I still have no ligatures.  Do I need

I cannot think of a reason for not having ligatures except broken tfm/vf
files. Try this:

	   tftopl `kpsewhich --progname=pdfetex pplb8t.tfm` | grep 'LIG '

(you should have 2 times 15 hits)

If this works OK, then probably your vf is broken:

	   vftovp `kpsewhich  --progname=pdfetex pplb8t.vf` | grep 'LIG '

(you should also have 2 times 15 hits)

    Matthew> to change pdftex.conf?

No, I don't think so.

Taco

Re: germandbls

[Peter Willadt]

Taco Hoekwater schrieb:
> 
> There are two problems here at the same time I think, one in
> enco-ec.tex and one in your input file.
> 
> - enco-ec misses a line. Hans, please add this one close to the SS one:
> 
> \definecharacter ss 255
> 
> (have to regenerate formats after that change)
> 
> - you need \useencoding[win] for ß to map to the right control sequence.
> 
Hello,

this also resolves my problems with german double s reported a few days
ago.

Peter Willadt

germandbls and Palatino

[Matthew Baker]

Hi Taco, Hans, everyone,

Still no success with either ligatures or sharp s's.  I added the line
Taco suggested to enco-ec.tex but, as far as I can tell, it had no effect.
Switching to the win encoding causes "s and ß to switch to sans-serif
font.  I imagine this is because \SS switches to sans serif.  In
font-ini.tex there is the line

\let\SS=\ss

The comment above says this is to to make \SS produce the sharp s so that
\ss can safely be overridden with the sans-serif command.  If I comment
this line out and remake the format files, ß and "s no longer switch to
sans serif.  So it seems to me that, when font-ini.tex is loaded, \ss
already is set up to switch to sans-serif.

That's the ß problem.  I had a look in both my tfm and vf files and they
both contain 2 times 15 ligature lines.  Are there any switches in context
that can cause it to produce more output that will help in finding this
problem?

- Matt

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Re: germandbls and Palatino

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi Matthew,

Looks like (at least) your context distrib is broken. The format
generation log might help, but if not than my guess would be: delete
all context-related stuff from your harddisk and re-install.

This does not really explain the missing ligs though. Another thing
that might help is a very small input file + log + dvi:

\setupbodyfont[ber,ppl]\useencoding[win]{\tracingall"s---ß? finally?}\bye

(please send all that junk directly to me, not to the list)

Greetings and good luck,

Taco
>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Baker <Matthew.Baker@gmd.de> writes:

    Matthew> Hi Taco, Hans, everyone,

    Matthew> Still no success with either ligatures or sharp s's.  I
    Matthew> added the line Taco suggested to enco-ec.tex but, as far
    Matthew> as I can tell, it had no effect.  Switching to the win
    Matthew> encoding causes "s and ß to switch to sans-serif font.  I
    Matthew> imagine this is because \SS switches to sans serif.  In
    Matthew> font-ini.tex there is the line

    Matthew> \let\SS=\ss

    Matthew> The comment above says this is to to make \SS produce the
    Matthew> sharp s so that \ss can safely be overridden with the
    Matthew> sans-serif command.  If I comment this line out and
    Matthew> remake the format files, ß and "s no longer switch to
    Matthew> sans serif.  So it seems to me that, when font-ini.tex is
    Matthew> loaded, \ss already is set up to switch to sans-serif.

    Matthew> That's the ß problem.  I had a look in both my tfm and vf
    Matthew> files and they both contain 2 times 15 ligature lines.
    Matthew> Are there any switches in context that can cause it to
    Matthew> produce more output that will help in finding this
    Matthew> problem?

    Matthew> - Matt

    Matthew> -- Dr. Matthew Baker matthew.baker@gmd.de GMD - FIT.MMK
    Matthew> http://fit.gmd.de/hci/pages/matthew.baker.html

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Re: Palatino

[David Arnold]

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Hans,

When I try:

011-101:/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/context/data davidarnold$  
sudo texfont --encoding=texnansi -batch type-tmf.dat

I get a slew of messages similar to this last one:

TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004

           slant factor : 0.167
          checking root : TEXMFMAIN
     processing aborted : unknown subpath ../fonts/afm/urw/ncntrsbk

                 --help : show some more info

Some extra information:

texexec --verbose reports:

applications will use : /usr/local/teTeX/texmf.cnf

This last file is attached.

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% Our directory setup as explained in $SELFAUTOPARENT/share/README.gwtex
% TEXMFMAIN contains the TEXMF tree installed by make install of the programs
TEXMFMAIN = $SELFAUTOPARENT/share/texmf
% TEXMFTE contains the main TEXMF tree from teTeX
TEXMFTE = $SELFAUTOPARENT/share/texmf.tetex
% TEXMFGW contains GW specific defaults and additions
TEXMFGW = $SELFAUTOPARENT/share/texmf.gwtex
% TEXMFLOCAL contains any local system TeXadmin overrides
TEXMFLOCAL = $SELFAUTOPARENT/share/texmf.local
% $VARTEXMF is where texconfig writes its local settings
VARTEXMF = $TEXMFLOCAL
% User texmf trees can be catered for like this...
HOMETEXMF = $HOME/Library/texmf

% Our complete search path, the last three are searched through
% ls-R exclusively, which means that you have to run texhash
% after you have added, moved or deleted files in the tree
TEXMF={$HOMETEXMF,!!$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFGW,!!$TEXMFTE,!!$TEXMFMAIN}

% If you want to disable the HOME trees, use this:
% TEXMF=!!{$TEXMFLOCAL,$TEXMFGW,$TEXMFTE,$TEXMFMAIN}

% The system trees.  These are the trees that are shared by all the users.
SYSTEXMF = $TEXMFLOCAL;$TEXMFGW;$TEXMFTE;$TEXMFMAIN

% Where generated fonts may be written.  This tree is used when the sources
% were found in a system tree and either that tree wasn't writable, or the
% varfonts feature was enabled in MT_FEATURES in mktex.cnf.
VARTEXFONTS = /var/tmp/texfonts

% teTeX-3.0 and TL2005 require these
TEXMFVAR = $HOMETEXMF
TEXMFCONFIG = $HOMETEXMF
TEXMFSYSCONFIG = $VARTEXMF
TEXMFSYSVAR = $VARTEXMF

% Where to look for ls-R files.  There need not be an ls-R in the
% directories in this path, but if there is one, Kpathsea will use it.
% This is default set to TEXMF+VARTEXFONTS but without HOMETEXMF 
TEXMFDBS = $TEXMFLOCAL;$TEXMFGW;$TEXMFTE;$TEXMFMAIN;$VARTEXFONTS

% Make font tfm files is mf files are available
MKTEXTFM = 1

% Make fonts when unavailable (not all fonts are available for pdf directly)
% Useful when using non-pdf-available fonts and going the tex->dvi->ps->pdf route
MKTEXPK.pdftex = 1
MKTEXPK.pdflatex = 1
MKTEXPK.pdfetex = 1
MKTEXPK.pdfelatex = 1

% Enable \write18 (run shell processes from within TeX job)
% Set to t if needed
% (I think this might have security implications, especially if you
% run tex jobs as administrator, so I keep it turned off by default
shell_escape = f

% Fixes for mixing old and new style locations in TL2004 (according to Hans Hagen)

TEXPSHEADERS		= .;$TEXMF/{fonts/{enc,map,type1,truetype},dvips,pdftex,tex}//;$TEXMF/{etex,tex,pdftex,dvips,fonts/type1}//
TEXFONTMAPS		= .;$TEXMF/{fonts/map//,fontname};$TEXMF/{pdftex,dvips}/config;$TEXMF/{pdftex,dvips}//
TEXCONFIG		= .;$TEXMF/{fonts/map,dvips,pdftex,dvipdfmx,dvipdfm}//
PDFTEXCONFIG		= .;$TEXMF/pdftex/{$progname,}//
DVIPDFMINPUTS		= .;$TEXMF/{fonts/map,dvips,pdftex,dvipdfmx,dvipdfm}//

% XeTeX
TEXINPUTS.xelatex =			.;$TEXMF/{xetex,tex}/{xelatex,latex,generic,}//
TEXINPUTS.xetex   =			.;$TEXMF/{xetex,tex}/{xetex,plain,generic,}//

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On Nov 22, 2005, at 7:32 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> David Arnold wrote:
>
>> Taco et al,
>>
>> OK, this didn't work. Log file attached.
>>
>> � �\usetypescript[palatino][texnansi]
>> � \switchtobodyfont[palatino]
>> � \starttext
>> � Hello World!
>> � \stoptext
>>
> no logfile -)
>
> for that one you need to run
>
> texfont --encoding=texnansi --batch type-tmf.dat
>
> (since you are familiar with texnansi .... although better than ec,  
> this encoding was never really supported in distributions, only by  
> mouh, which is why you need to generate metrics yourself)
>
>> This one worked.
>>
>> �\usetypescript[adobekb][8r,ec]
>> � \usetypescript[palatino][ec]
>> � \switchtobodyfont[palatino]
>> � \starttext
>> � Hello World!
>> � \stoptext
>>
>> Two questions:
>>
>> 1. I don't know why one worked and the other didn't. What files  
>> could I look at in my tex tree that would give a hint as to which  
>> to use?
>>
>> 2. How can I make the first one work?
>
> use texfont (or take cont-fnt from the website)
>
> Hans
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Re: Palatino

[Hans Hagen]

David Arnold wrote:

> Taco et al,
>
> OK, this didn't work. Log file attached.
>
> � �\usetypescript[palatino][texnansi]
> � \switchtobodyfont[palatino]
> � \starttext
> � Hello World!
> � \stoptext
>
no logfile -)

for that one you need to run

texfont --encoding=texnansi --batch type-tmf.dat

(since you are familiar with texnansi .... although better than ec, this 
encoding was never really supported in distributions, only by mouh, 
which is why you need to generate metrics yourself)

> This one worked.
>
> �\usetypescript[adobekb][8r,ec]
> � \usetypescript[palatino][ec]
> � \switchtobodyfont[palatino]
> � \starttext
> � Hello World!
> � \stoptext
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1. I don't know why one worked and the other didn't. What files could 
> I look at in my tex tree that would give a hint as to which to use?
>
> 2. How can I make the first one work?

use texfont (or take cont-fnt from the website)

Hans

Re: Palatino

[David Arnold]

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Taco et al,

OK, this didn't work. Log file attached.

    \usetypescript[palatino][texnansi]
   \switchtobodyfont[palatino]
   \starttext
   Hello World!
   \stoptext

This one worked.

  \usetypescript[adobekb][8r,ec]
   \usetypescript[palatino][ec]
   \switchtobodyfont[palatino]
   \starttext
   Hello World!
   \stoptext

Two questions:

1. I don't know why one worked and the other didn't. What files could  
I look at in my tex tree that would give a hint as to which to use?

2. How can I make the first one work?

On Nov 22, 2005, at 1:29 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

>   \usetypescript[palatino][texnansi]
>   \switchtobodyfont[palatino]
>   \starttext
>   Hello World!
>   \stoptext

David



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Re: Palatino

[Taco Hoekwater]

David Arnold wrote:
> All,
> 
> Can someone give me a short test file to see if palatino will work on  
> my system (GWTeX and Tiger).

For a texfont-installed version of the metrics, this should work:

   \usetypescript[palatino][texnansi]
   \switchtobodyfont[palatino]
   \starttext
   Hello World!
   \stoptext

For the psnfss (LaTeX) version, the minimal file is this:

   \usetypescript[adobekb][8r,ec]
   \usetypescript[palatino][ec]
   \switchtobodyfont[palatino]
   \starttext
   Hello World!
   \stoptext

Greetings, Taco

Palatino

[David Arnold]

All,

Can someone give me a short test file to see if palatino will work on  
my system (GWTeX and Tiger).

David