Palatino

Palatino

[Matthew Baker]

I don't think this is specifically a ConTeXt question but there are some
font gurus on this list.

I have written a font-ppl.tex for the Palatino font  it has

\definefontsynonym [Serif]            [Palatino-Roman]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBold]        [Palatino-Bold]
\definefontsynonym [SerifItalic]      [Palatino-Italic]
\definefontsynonym [SerifSlanted]     [Palatino-Slanted]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic]  [Palatino-BoldItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBoldSlanted] [Palatino-BoldSlanted]
\definefontsynonym [SerifCaps]        [Palatino-Roman]

In font-fit.tex I have added

\definefontsynonym [Palatino-Roman]           [pplr]  [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [Palatino-Italic]          [pplri] [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [Palatino-Slanted]         [pplro] [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [Palatino-Bold]            [pplb]  [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [Palatino-BoldItalic]      [pplbi] [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [Palatino-BoldSlanted]     [pplbo] [encoding=texnansi]

pdftex.conf already contained the lines

pplb8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplb8a.pfb
pplbi8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplbi8a.pfb
pplbo8r ".167 SlantFont TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplb8a.pfb
pplr8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplr8a.pfb
pplri8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplri8a.pfb
pplro8r ".167 SlantFont TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplr8a.pfb

Now \setupbodyfont[ppl] gives me Palatino in with appropriate variants.
Accented letters work fine but the sharp S doesn't come up, ` comes out at
' and there seem to be no ligatures.

Is this an encoding problem or are these likely to be missing from the
font?  I have tried various encodings (with \useencoding), all of which
give me the same thing.

- Matt

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Re: Palatino

[Taco Hoekwater]

>>>>> "MB" == Matthew Baker <Matthew.Baker@gmd.de> writes:

 MB> I don't think this is specifically a ConTeXt question but there
 MB> are some font gurus on this list.

But is *is* a context question.

 MB> I have written a font-ppl.tex for the Palatino font it has

 MB> In font-fit.tex I have added

font-fit ?? What's that?

 MB> \definefontsynonym [Palatino-Roman] [pplr] [encoding=texnansi]

 MB> pdftex.conf already contained the lines

 MB> pplb8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplb8a.pfb

TeXBase1Encoding becomes ec.enc, depending on user-level *8t files.
Therefore, the previous section is wrong. You need lines like:

   \definefontsynonym [Palatino-Italic] [pplri8t] [encoding=ec]

(add 8t suffixes and change all encodings to ec)

Greetings,

Taco
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Re: Palatino

[Matthew Baker]

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> TeXBase1Encoding becomes ec.enc, depending on user-level *8t files.
> Therefore, the previous section is wrong. You need lines like:
> 
>    \definefontsynonym [Palatino-Italic] [pplri8t] [encoding=ec]
> 
> (add 8t suffixes and change all encodings to ec)

Ah, I see.  I have changed my lines in font-ppl.tex to be like above and
still have lines of the form

   pplb8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <uplb8a.pfb

in pdftex.conf.  Everything still works as before except ß comes up as SS
(I always get this with the ec encoding in ConTeXt).  And I still have no
ligatures.  Do I need to change pdftex.conf?

Oh when I wrote "font-fit.tex" I meant "font-fil.tex".

- Matt

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germandbls

[Taco Hoekwater]

>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Baker <Matthew.Baker@gmd.de> writes:

    Matthew> in pdftex.conf.  Everything still works as before except
    Matthew> ß comes up as SS (I always get this with the ec encoding
    Matthew> in ConTeXt).  And I still have no ligatures.  Do I need

There are two problems here at the same time I think, one in
enco-ec.tex and one in your input file.

- enco-ec misses a line. Hans, please add this one close to the SS one:

\definecharacter ss 255

(have to regenerate formats after that change)

- you need \useencoding[win] for ß to map to the right control sequence.

Taco

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Re: Palatino

[Taco Hoekwater]

    Matthew> Ah, I see.  I have changed my lines in font-ppl.tex to be
    Matthew> like above and still have lines of the form

    Matthew>    pplb8r "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
    Matthew> <uplb8a.pfb

    Matthew> in pdftex.conf.  Everything still works as before except
    Matthew> ß comes up as SS (I always get this with the ec encoding
    Matthew> in ConTeXt).  And I still have no ligatures.  Do I need

I cannot think of a reason for not having ligatures except broken tfm/vf
files. Try this:

	   tftopl `kpsewhich --progname=pdfetex pplb8t.tfm` | grep 'LIG '

(you should have 2 times 15 hits)

If this works OK, then probably your vf is broken:

	   vftovp `kpsewhich  --progname=pdfetex pplb8t.vf` | grep 'LIG '

(you should also have 2 times 15 hits)

    Matthew> to change pdftex.conf?

No, I don't think so.

Taco

Re: germandbls

[Peter Willadt]

Taco Hoekwater schrieb:
> 
> There are two problems here at the same time I think, one in
> enco-ec.tex and one in your input file.
> 
> - enco-ec misses a line. Hans, please add this one close to the SS one:
> 
> \definecharacter ss 255
> 
> (have to regenerate formats after that change)
> 
> - you need \useencoding[win] for ß to map to the right control sequence.
> 
Hello,

this also resolves my problems with german double s reported a few days
ago.

Peter Willadt

germandbls and Palatino

[Matthew Baker]

Hi Taco, Hans, everyone,

Still no success with either ligatures or sharp s's.  I added the line
Taco suggested to enco-ec.tex but, as far as I can tell, it had no effect.
Switching to the win encoding causes "s and ß to switch to sans-serif
font.  I imagine this is because \SS switches to sans serif.  In
font-ini.tex there is the line

\let\SS=\ss

The comment above says this is to to make \SS produce the sharp s so that
\ss can safely be overridden with the sans-serif command.  If I comment
this line out and remake the format files, ß and "s no longer switch to
sans serif.  So it seems to me that, when font-ini.tex is loaded, \ss
already is set up to switch to sans-serif.

That's the ß problem.  I had a look in both my tfm and vf files and they
both contain 2 times 15 ligature lines.  Are there any switches in context
that can cause it to produce more output that will help in finding this
problem?

- Matt

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Re: germandbls and Palatino

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi Matthew,

Looks like (at least) your context distrib is broken. The format
generation log might help, but if not than my guess would be: delete
all context-related stuff from your harddisk and re-install.

This does not really explain the missing ligs though. Another thing
that might help is a very small input file + log + dvi:

\setupbodyfont[ber,ppl]\useencoding[win]{\tracingall"s---ß? finally?}\bye

(please send all that junk directly to me, not to the list)

Greetings and good luck,

Taco
>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Baker <Matthew.Baker@gmd.de> writes:

    Matthew> Hi Taco, Hans, everyone,

    Matthew> Still no success with either ligatures or sharp s's.  I
    Matthew> added the line Taco suggested to enco-ec.tex but, as far
    Matthew> as I can tell, it had no effect.  Switching to the win
    Matthew> encoding causes "s and ß to switch to sans-serif font.  I
    Matthew> imagine this is because \SS switches to sans serif.  In
    Matthew> font-ini.tex there is the line

    Matthew> \let\SS=\ss

    Matthew> The comment above says this is to to make \SS produce the
    Matthew> sharp s so that \ss can safely be overridden with the
    Matthew> sans-serif command.  If I comment this line out and
    Matthew> remake the format files, ß and "s no longer switch to
    Matthew> sans serif.  So it seems to me that, when font-ini.tex is
    Matthew> loaded, \ss already is set up to switch to sans-serif.

    Matthew> That's the ß problem.  I had a look in both my tfm and vf
    Matthew> files and they both contain 2 times 15 ligature lines.
    Matthew> Are there any switches in context that can cause it to
    Matthew> produce more output that will help in finding this
    Matthew> problem?

    Matthew> - Matt

    Matthew> -- Dr. Matthew Baker matthew.baker@gmd.de GMD - FIT.MMK
    Matthew> http://fit.gmd.de/hci/pages/matthew.baker.html

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