Columns in itemizations

Columns in itemizations

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Hello,

following up to a recent post on comp.text.tex I'd like to bring
forth an enhancement request for itemgroups: in the current
implementation it is not possible to set up itemgroups to use the
non key=value pairs settings. IOW, one cannot say

\defineitemgroup[myitems]
\setupmyitems[each][A]

and have the items come up numbered with capital letters. Some
keywords (like: joinedup) work, some others (the numbering type
ones, for example, or "columns") don't work. For what I can see by
looking at the code, this depends on these settings being looked
for *not* when setting up the itemizations, but in the actual
moment when the \start<itemgroup> is issued (this is for example
the case for "columns").

Enhancement request: allow all keywords to work. I think the most
straightforward way to implement this is to simply store the
keywords and put them as default values when \start<itemgroup> is
called (this would even, I suspect, simplify the handling of the
itemgroup setups ...)

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re: Columns in itemizations

[Hans Hagen]

At 11:17 PM 2/27/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>following up to a recent post on comp.text.tex I'd like to bring
>forth an enhancement request for itemgroups: in the current
>implementation it is not possible to set up itemgroups to use the
>non key=value pairs settings. IOW, one cannot say
>
>\defineitemgroup[myitems]
>\setupmyitems[each][A]
>
>and have the items come up numbered with capital letters. Some
>keywords (like: joinedup) work, some others (the numbering type
>ones, for example, or "columns") don't work. For what I can see by
>looking at the code, this depends on these settings being looked
>for *not* when setting up the itemizations, but in the actual
>moment when the \start<itemgroup> is issued (this is for example
>the case for "columns").
>
>Enhancement request: allow all keywords to work. I think the most
>straightforward way to implement this is to simply store the
>keywords and put them as default values when \start<itemgroup> is
>called (this would even, I suspect, simplify the handling of the
>itemgroup setups ...)


\defineitemgroup[test]
\setupitemgroup[test][headstyle=slanted]
\setupitemgroup[test][2][packed]

% \setupitemgroup[test][each][packed]

\starttest
\head test \par test
\item test
       \starttest
       \item test
       \item test
       \stoptest
\item test
\stoptest

so, it's there already; in principle the following should work:

\setupitemgroup[test][levellist][keyvals]
\setupitemgroup[test][levellist][keys]
\setupitemgroup[test][levellist][keyvals][keys]

\setupitemgroup[test][keyvals]
\setupitemgroup[test][keys]
\setupitemgroup[test][keyvals][keys]

Hans
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Re[2]: Columns in itemizations

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Friday, February 28, 2003 Hans Hagen wrote:

HH> so, it's there already; in principle the following should work:

HH> \setupitemgroup[test][levellist][keyvals]
HH> \setupitemgroup[test][levellist][keys]
HH> \setupitemgroup[test][levellist][keyvals][keys]

HH> \setupitemgroup[test][keyvals]
HH> \setupitemgroup[test][keys]
HH> \setupitemgroup[test][keyvals][keys]

The problem is it doesn't work for all keywords: try for example:

\defineitemgroup[test]
\setupitemgroup[each][A,columns]

\starttest
\item one
\item two
\item three
\item four
\item five
\stoptext

\starttest[A,columns]
\item one
\item two
\item three
\item four
\item five
\stoptext

You will see that the "A" and "columns" settings don't get
through. AFAICS from the code, this depends on these settings
being looked for only after the \start<...> thing, and not in some
kind of more global setting like the ones that refer to spacing.

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re[2]: Columns in itemizations

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:23 AM 2/28/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Friday, February 28, 2003 Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>HH> so, it's there already; in principle the following should work:
>
>HH> \setupitemgroup[test][levellist][keyvals]
>HH> \setupitemgroup[test][levellist][keys]
>HH> \setupitemgroup[test][levellist][keyvals][keys]
>
>HH> \setupitemgroup[test][keyvals]
>HH> \setupitemgroup[test][keys]
>HH> \setupitemgroup[test][keyvals][keys]
>
>The problem is it doesn't work for all keywords: try for example:

can you try the new beta?

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Re[3]: Columns in itemizations

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Monday, March 3, 2003 Hans Hagen wrote:
>>
>>The problem is it doesn't work for all keywords: try for example:

HH> can you try the new beta?

Works magic, thanks :)

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Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Columns in itemizations

[Patrick Gundlach]

Giuseppe Bilotta <gip.bilotta@iol.it> writes:

Hello Hans and Giuseppe,

> Works magic, thanks :)

here it is a little bit strange:
--------------------------------------------------
\starttext
\defineitemgroup[test]
\setupitemgroup[test][A,columns]

\starttest
\item one
\item two
\item three
\item four
\item five
\stoptest

\starttest
\item one
\item two
\item three
\item four
\item five
\stoptest

\stoptext
--------------------------------------------------

gives 

===== dvi output =================================
A. one          D. four
B. two          E. five
C. three

A. one 
B. two 
C. three 
D. four 
E. five
==================================================

so the second itemize group is not in columns.

Patrick

Re: Columns in itemizations

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Monday, March 3, 2003 Patrick Gundlach wrote:

PG> the second itemize group is not in columns.

Uhm. Works fine here.

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re: Columns in itemizations

[Hans Hagen]

At 05:50 PM 3/3/2003 +0100, Patrick Gundlach wrote:

>===== dvi output =================================
>A. one          D. four
>B. two          E. five
>C. three
>
>A. one
>B. two
>C. three
>D. four
>E. five
>==================================================
>
>so the second itemize group is not in columns.

strange, here i get two times columns

Hans

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Re: Columns in itemizations

[Patrick Gundlach]

Giuseppe Bilotta <gip.bilotta@iol.it> writes:

Hello,

> PG> the second itemize group is not in columns.
>
> Uhm. Works fine here.

Very strange.

========================================
This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.00b-pretest-20020211-2.1 (Web2C 7.3.7x) (format=cont-en 2003.3.3)  3 MAR 2003 21:56
entering extended mode
\write18 enabled.
**&cont-en columns.tex
(./columns.tex{/opt/texlive/7/texmf-var/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2003.3.3  fmt: 2003.3.3  int: english  mes: english

[...]

systems        : begin file columns at line 4
columns        : balanced in 7 step(s)
[1.1]
systems        : end file columns at line 21
 ) 
========================================
looks fine to me.

I guess you have tried the same file as I posted?

Patrick

Re: Re: Columns in itemizations

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Monday, March 3, 2003 Patrick Gundlach wrote:

PG> Giuseppe Bilotta <gip.bilotta@iol.it> writes:

PG> Hello,

>> PG> the second itemize group is not in columns.
>>
>> Uhm. Works fine here.

PG> Very strange.

[snip]

PG> I guess you have tried the same file as I posted?

Indeed. Are you running via texexec or manually?

Anyway, my log (different pdf-e-TeX version, could be the culprit?
I doubt it):

This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10a-2.1 (MiKTeX 2.2) (preloaded format=cont-en 3.3.3)  3 MAR 2003 22:19
entering extended mode
**test.tex
(c:\TEMP\tex\test.tex{pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2003.3.3  fmt: 2003.3.3  int: english  mes: english

language       : language en is active
<protectionstate 0>
system         : cont-new loaded
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\cont-new.tex
systems        : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\cont-loc.tex))
system         : cont-old loaded
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\cont-old.tex
loading        : Context Old Macros
)
system         : cont-fil loaded
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\cont-fil.tex
loading        : Context File Synonyms
)
system         : cont-sys loaded
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\cont-sys.tex)
bodyfont       : 12pt rm is loaded
language       : patterns 2:2-en-2 4:2-de-2 5:2-fr-2 6:2-es-2 7:2-it-2 8:2-nl-2
 loaded
specials       : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
system         : test.top loaded
(c:\TEMP\tex\test.top)
pdftex         : needs map file: original-context-symbol.map
pdftex         : needs map file: pl0-ams-cmr.map
pdftex         : needs map file: original-vogel-symbol.map
(c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo) (c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo) (c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo)
(c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo) (c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo) (c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo)
(c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo) (c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo) (c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo)
(c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo) (c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo) (c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo)
(c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo) (c:\TEMP\tex\test.tuo)
systems        : begin file test at line 1
columns        : balanced in 7 step(s)
columns        : balanced in 7 step(s)
[1.1]
systems        : end file test at line 21
 ) 
Here is how much of TeX's memory you used:
 596 strings out of 217934
 7657 string characters out of 508330
 391113 words of memory out of 1051882
 30365 multiletter control sequences out of 35000
 10284 words of font info for 34 fonts, out of 500000 for 1000
 56 hyphenation exceptions out of 607
 44i,17n,47p,248b,488s stack positions out of 1500i,500n,5000p,200000b,32768s
 0 PDF objects out of 65536
 0 named destinations out of 20000
 0 words of extra memory for PDF output out of 65536

Output written on test.dvi (1 page, 656 bytes).

Re: Columns in itemizations

[Patrick Gundlach]

Giuseppe Bilotta <gip.bilotta@iol.it> writes:

Hello Giuseppe, Hans and others,

> PG> I guess you have tried the same file as I posted?
>
> Indeed. Are you running via texexec or manually?

`texexec columns'

And the texexec is the current beta's texexec.

> Anyway, my log (different pdf-e-TeX version, could be the culprit?
> I doubt it):

There must be some difference somewhere?!?

Is this the logfile or the output of the texexec run that you have
posted?

First, there is the following difference between your log and mine:

> (C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\cont-loc.tex))

is not loaded on my place and the cont-sys.tex I have is the same as the
cont-sys.ori shipped with context.

> columns        : balanced in 7 step(s)
> columns        : balanced in 7 step(s)

I have only one line like that :( 

> Here is how much of TeX's memory you used:
>  596 strings out of 217934
>  7657 string characters out of 508330
>  391113 words of memory out of 1051882
>  30365 multiletter control sequences out of 35000
>  10284 words of font info for 34 fonts, out of 500000 for 1000
>  56 hyphenation exceptions out of 607
>  44i,17n,47p,248b,488s stack positions out of 1500i,500n,5000p,200000b,32768s

These numbers differ slightly.

In the logfile I also get some strange errors ;-)

systems        : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no / in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no : in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no ; in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no ? in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no ! in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
language       : language en is active



BTW: I use texlive 7 with the current beta. 

Patrick

Re: Columns in itemizations

[Patrick Gundlach]

Patrick Gundlach <pg@levana.de> writes:

Hello again,

one other strange test file:

===========================================================
\starttext
\defineitemgroup[test]
\starttest[A]
\item one
\item two
\item three
\item four
\item five
\stoptest

\starttest[n,columns]
\item one
\item two
\item three
\item four
\item five
\stoptest
\starttest[A,columns]
\item one
\item two
\item three
\item four
\item five
\stoptest

\stoptext
===========================================================
gives:


A. one

B. two 

C. three 

D. four 

E. five 

1. one          4. four 
2. two          5. five 
3. three 

A. one 
B. two 
C. three 
D. four 
E. five
===========================================================

See the different spacing between the first "A" items and the last
"A,columns" ones. So the columns has an effect but not the desired
one.


Patrick

PS: texlive 7 + newest context

Re: Re: Columns in itemizations

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Tuesday, March 4, 2003 Patrick Gundlach wrote:
>> Anyway, my log (different pdf-e-TeX version, could be the culprit?
>> I doubt it):

PG> There must be some difference somewhere?!?

PG> Is this the logfile or the output of the texexec run that you have
PG> posted?

Logfile.

PG> First, there is the following difference between your log and mine:

>> (C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\cont-loc.tex))

PG> is not loaded on my place

Even if I disable it, it all works fine here.

PG> and the cont-sys.tex I have is the same as the cont-sys.ori
PG> shipped with context.

Mine is slightly different: the auto MP stuff is enabled.

>> columns        : balanced in 7 step(s)
>> columns        : balanced in 7 step(s)

PG> I have only one line like that :(

Yes, that's that problem :)

PG> In the logfile I also get some strange errors ;-)

PG> systems        : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
PG> Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
[snip]
PG> Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
PG> language       : language en is active

VERY strange. There's something wrong with your setup.


-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re: Re: Columns in itemizations

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Tuesday, March 4, 2003 Patrick Gundlach wrote:

PG> Patrick Gundlach <pg@levana.de> writes:

PG> Hello again,

PG> one other strange test file:

PG> See the different spacing between the first "A" items and the last
PG> "A,columns" ones. So the columns has an effect but not the desired
PG> one.

The difference is because you get all the settings from the
"columns" option, except that the columns don't get balanced. And
again, everything is fine here (MiKTeX 2.2, latest ConTeXt)

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re: Re: Columns in itemizations

[Willi Egger]

Patrick,

I am afraid that I am not of big help. Just to tell you, that here your
examples work perfectly.

I am using:
     This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.00b-pretest-20020211-2.1 (Web2c
7.3.7x) (format=cont-en 2003.3.3)  4 MAR 2003 14:12 from TeXlive 7 on a
Windows machine

As you can see I installed the latest beta yesterday...

I hope you will be able to find out what the problem is with your
installation. - You use TeX on a Linux box, don't you?

Gruss Willi

Re: Columns in itemizations

[Patrick Gundlach]

"Willi Egger" <w.egger@boede.nl> writes:

Hello Willi,

> I am afraid that I am not of big help. Just to tell you, that here your
> examples work perfectly.

So I now know that my pdfetex version does not have any influence on
this behaviour (we have the same version).

> You use TeX on a Linux box, don't you?

right. I still have to do some tests about this.

Thanks for your answer,

Patrick

Re: Re: Columns in itemizations

[Hans Hagen]

At 11:39 AM 3/4/2003 +0100, Patrick Gundlach wrote:

>First, there is the following difference between your log and mine:
>
> > (C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\cont-loc.tex))

How come that you have a cont-loc file? That's my private sensitive patches 
file -)

>systems       : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
>Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no / in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no : in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no ; in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no ? in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no ! in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
>language       : language en is active

/12:12;12?12!12 looks like some / : ; ? ! catcodes being set to letter, or: 
some incredibly messed up system

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Re: Columns in itemizations

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

Hello Hans et al.

> /12:12;12?12!12 looks like some / : ; ? ! catcodes being set to
> letter, or: some incredibly messed up system

Well, it appeared with the latest beta. I cannot reproduce this
problem with the context/2003.2.11 version.

==================================================
\starttext
\defineitemgroup[test]

\starttest[A,columns]
\item one
\item two
\item three
\item four
\item five
\stoptest

\starttest[n,columns]
\item one
\item two
\item three
\item four
\item five
\stoptest

\stoptext
==================================================

gives me with the 2003.2.11 version two itemgroups in columns and no
nullfont error I have posted earlier.

with the 2003.3.3 version I get only one itemgroup in columns (the
A,columns) and the nullfont error.

I have just reinstalled both versions. The two environments I have
used for testing are identical, except for the web2c configuration
that is pointing to the root of the context installation. (I use the
env variable $TEXMFCONTEXT that is pointing to
/opt/context/2003.2.11/texmf resp. the other version) and the PATH
variable for the binaries pdfetex and mpost (which are identical) and
links to texexec, texutil and texfont.


Do you have any hints where I can start debugging? I have looked in
the obvious places (old format lying around etc. but this all look
ok).

Patrick

Re: Columns in itemizations

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

Hello again,

>>Missing character: There is no ! in font nullfont!
>>Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
>>Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
>>language       : language en is active
>
> /12:12;12?12!12 looks like some / : ; ? ! catcodes being set to
> letter, or: some incredibly messed up system


OK; another testfile:

\starttext
\section{Test}
Good Morning
\stoptext

gives me (dvi file):
==================================================
1 "12/12:12;12?12!12Test

Good Morning
==================================================

and the first line is somewhat (20 pt?) lower than it should be.

Again: latest beta (2002.3.3) strange behaviour, 2002.2.11 looks ok.

Patrick

Re: Columns in itemizations

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

Hello again,


sorry to bother you all, but perhaps this additional info might help
you to help me ;-)


> some incredibly messed up system

I guess so ;-)

from the previous file from tracingall:


[...]

(line 4655, only (besides error messages at beginning) appearance of nullfont)

\lastfontidentifier ->12ptrmtf

\fontsize ->a
{changing \*12ptrmtfa*=undefined}
{into \*12ptrmtfa*=\relax}
{\font}
{changing \*12ptrmtfa*=\relax}
{into \*12ptrmtfa*=select font nullfont}

[...]


(line 12929)

\c!nacommando ->\c!internal! nacommando
{\string}
{changing \@@kosectionnacommando=undefined}
{into \@@kosectionnacommando=\relax}
{\relax}
{\iftrue: (level 7) entered on line 3}
{true}
{\par}
@firstpass
[] /cmr12@14.4pt/1 [] "12/12:12;12?12!12[][][][][][] Test [] 
@\par via @@0 b=0 p=-10000 d=100
@@1: line 1.2- t=100 -> @@0



Patrick

Re: Re: Columns in itemizations

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:27 AM 3/5/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
>Hello again,
>
> >>Missing character: There is no ! in font nullfont!
> >>Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
> >>Missing character: There is no 2 in font nullfont!
> >>language       : language en is active
> >
> > /12:12;12?12!12 looks like some / : ; ? ! catcodes being set to
> > letter, or: some incredibly messed up system
>
>
>OK; another testfile:
>
>\starttext
>\section{Test}
>Good Morning
>\stoptext
>
>gives me (dvi file):
>==================================================
>1 "12/12:12;12?12!12Test

can you run this with \tracingall  and see where the missings show up?

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Re: Re: Columns in itemizations

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:43 AM 3/5/2003 +0100, you wrote:

>sorry to bother you all, but perhaps this additional info might help
>you to help me ;-)
>
>
> > some incredibly messed up system
>
>I guess so ;-)
>
>from the previous file from tracingall:
>
>
>[...]
>
>(line 4655, only (besides error messages at beginning) appearance of nullfont)
>
>\lastfontidentifier ->12ptrmtf
>
>\fontsize ->a
>{changing \*12ptrmtfa*=undefined}
>{into \*12ptrmtfa*=\relax}

this is strange, it looks like something is wrong with your (preloaded) cmr 
fonts; how do the formats compare (format logs)

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nullfont errors in new beta

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

> this is strange, it looks like something is wrong with your
> (preloaded) cmr fonts; how do the formats compare (format logs)

besides the version number and the line numbers from the etex
messages:

(I have substituted the version numbers with -- and the linenumbers
with (linenumber) to make the output of the diff shorter). I cannot
see any harmful messages.



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Patrick

Re: nullfont errors in new beta

[Hans Hagen]

At 04:05 PM 3/5/2003 +0100, Patrick Gundlach wrote:

>< 32021 strings of total length 501741
>< 385365 memory locations dumped; current usage is 113&384373
>< 29986 multiletter control sequences
>---
> > 31931 strings of total length 500730
> > 384296 memory locations dumped; current usage is 113&383598
> > 29896 multiletter control sequences

looks ok to me; i tested the beta under linux and it works ok there, so i'm 
even more puzzled now

Hans
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Re: nullfont errors in new beta

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

Hello Hans,

> looks ok to me; i tested the beta under linux and it works ok there,
> so i'm even more puzzled now

I am even more puzzled! 

I have just tried tetex 2.0.2 with the latest beta (2002.3.3). Same
behaviour.

This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5) (format=cont-en 2003.3.5)  5 MAR 2003 21:11
entering extended mode
**&cont-en sectit.tex
(./sectit.tex{/opt/tetex/2.0.2/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2003.3.3  fmt: 2003.3.5  int: english  mes: english

Missing character: There is no " in font nullfont!
Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!

[...]


What a ****!

Any idea where to start debugging (or whining)? A bottle of w(h)ine
should solve the problem... at least for this evening :)

Patrick

Re: Re: nullfont errors in new beta

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:41 PM 3/5/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
>Hello Hans,
>
> > looks ok to me; i tested the beta under linux and it works ok there,
> > so i'm even more puzzled now
>
>I am even more puzzled!
>
>I have just tried tetex 2.0.2 with the latest beta (2002.3.3). Same
>behaviour.
>
>This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5) (format=cont-en 
>2003.3.5)  5 MAR 2003 21:11
>entering extended mode
>**&cont-en sectit.tex
>(./sectit.tex{/opt/tetex/2.0.2/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}
>
>ConTeXt  ver: 2003.3.3  fmt: 2003.3.5  int: english  mes: english
>
>Missing character: There is no " in font nullfont!
>Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!

Where does the " 1 come from? Can it be that your unzipper is wrong?

Can other linux users confirm this problem?

Hans


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Re: nullfont errors in new beta

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Wednesday, March 5, 2003 Patrick Gundlach wrote:
PG> 463,467c462,465
PG> < loading        : Context Page Macros / Backgrounds
PG> < ) (/opt/context/--/texmf/tex/context/base/page-app.tex
PG> < loading        : Context Page Macros / Applications
PG> < ) (/opt/context/--/texmf/tex/context/base/core-job.tex
PG> < loading        : Context Core Macros / Job Handling
PG> ---
>> loading        : Context Page Macros (Backgrounds)
>> ) (/opt/context/--/texmf/tex/context/base/page-app.tex)
>> (/opt/context/--/texmf/tex/context/base/core-job.tex
>> loading        : Context Core Macros (Job Handling)

Looks like your page-app has something wrong.

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

no more nullfont errors in latest beta!

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

Hello Hans (et al.)

good news from Germany ;-)


> Where does the " 1 come from? 

I still have no idea about this.

> Can it be that your unzipper is wrong?

Just to make sure I have got a good cont-tmf.zip I have downloaded it
again. And see: this is the beta 2003.3.4 (one day later). And this
beta does not have the problems I described :))

the files that changed meanwhile were:

 120 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst   118402 Mar  3 12:58 syst-ext.tex
  24 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst    23565 Mar  3 18:02 core-box.tex
  20 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst    19801 Mar  3 21:00 page-bck.tex
   8 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst     6806 Mar  3 21:31 meta-pag.tex
  40 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst    39796 Mar  3 23:19 supp-mpe.tex
  12 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst     9190 Mar  4 09:32 s-mag-01.tex
  16 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst    14233 Mar  4 10:44 context.tex

I had a look at the differences between these files and the ones
from 2003.3.3, but could not find any harmful macros ;-) Perhaps you
know, but it is no problem anymore.

Thank you for your help!



BTW: the "ConTeXt Beta Page" is lying a little bit about the beta
version (context version and filesize). The ConTeXt link from the
"Downloading" page is pointing to an old version.

> Can other linux users confirm this problem?

hopfully not ;-)



Patrick (happy and now with a brand new tetex ;-)

Re: Re: nullfont errors in new beta

[Jens-Uwe Morawski]

On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:50:34 +0100
Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> At 09:41 PM 3/5/2003 +0100, you wrote:
> >Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
> >
> >Hello Hans,
> >
> > > looks ok to me; i tested the beta under linux and it works ok there,
> > > so i'm even more puzzled now
> >
> >I am even more puzzled!
> >
> >I have just tried tetex 2.0.2 with the latest beta (2002.3.3). Same
> >behaviour.
> >
> >This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5) (format=cont-en 
> >2003.3.5)  5 MAR 2003 21:11
> >entering extended mode
> >**&cont-en sectit.tex
> >(./sectit.tex{/opt/tetex/2.0.2/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}
> >
> >ConTeXt  ver: 2003.3.3  fmt: 2003.3.5  int: english  mes: english
> >
> >Missing character: There is no " in font nullfont!
> >Missing character: There is no 1 in font nullfont!
> 
> Where does the " 1 come from? Can it be that your unzipper is wrong?
>
> 
> Can other linux users confirm this problem?

no problem at all. System Linux Redhat 8.0, TeXLive7 ...

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A. one       D. four
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Re: no more nullfont errors in latest beta!

[Hans Hagen]

At 11:59 PM 3/5/2003 +0100, you wrote:

>Just to make sure I have got a good cont-tmf.zip I have downloaded it
>again. And see: this is the beta 2003.3.4 (one day later). And this
>beta does not have the problems I described :))
>
>the files that changed meanwhile were:
>
>  120 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst   118402 Mar  3 12:58 syst-ext.tex
>   24 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst    23565 Mar  3 18:02 core-box.tex
>   20 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst    19801 Mar  3 21:00 page-bck.tex
>    8 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst     6806 Mar  3 21:31 meta-pag.tex
>   40 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst    39796 Mar  3 23:19 supp-mpe.tex
>   12 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst     9190 Mar  4 09:32 s-mag-01.tex
>   16 -rw-r--r--    1 softinst    14233 Mar  4 10:44 context.tex
>
>I had a look at the differences between these files and the ones
>from 2003.3.3, but could not find any harmful macros ;-) Perhaps you
>know, but it is no problem anymore.

this is why i think that something went wrong in the unzipper or during 
transfer (i once had such a problem)

>BTW: the "ConTeXt Beta Page" is lying a little bit about the beta
>version (context version and filesize). The ConTeXt link from the
>"Downloading" page is pointing to an old version.

i know, some day i will automatically upload the lot, now i do that 
manually (although the html page and show-fil file are generated 
automatically, i sometimes forget to upload them)

Hans
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