* Why is the page off?
@ 2017-07-02 3:17 Henri Menke
2017-07-03 5:48 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Henri Menke @ 2017-07-02 3:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
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Dear list,
Why is the page shifted? Reproducible in TL2017 and latest beta. See also attached. MWE is below.
Cheers, Henri
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\showframe
\starttext
Foo
\stoptext
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* Re: Why is the page off?
2017-07-02 3:17 Why is the page off? Henri Menke
@ 2017-07-03 5:48 ` Aditya Mahajan
2017-07-03 6:42 ` Henri Menke
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From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2017-07-03 5:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2017, Henri Menke wrote:
> Why is the page shifted? Reproducible in TL2017 and latest beta. See
> also attached. MWE is below.
Why do you think that the page is shifted? Or are you asking why does the
default layout set the left margin width to be larger than the backspace?
Aditya
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* Re: Why is the page off?
2017-07-03 5:48 ` Aditya Mahajan
@ 2017-07-03 6:42 ` Henri Menke
2017-07-03 7:03 ` Henri Menke
2017-07-03 7:09 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Henri Menke @ 2017-07-03 6:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
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On Mon, 2017-07-03 at 01:48 -0400, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jul 2017, Henri Menke wrote:
>
> > Why is the page shifted? Reproducible in TL2017 and latest beta. See
> > also attached. MWE is below.
>
> Why do you think that the page is shifted? Or are you asking why does the
> default layout set the left margin width to be larger than the backspace?
How about this? By default text in the margin can run off the page. Also the whole layout is
symmetric (margin widths, margin distances) but shifted to the left. This looks like a bug to me.
Furthermore it doesn't make sense to have a non-centred text block for onesided typesetting.
\setuppapersize[A5][A4,landscape]
\setuppaper[nx=2]
\setuparranging[XY]
\showframe
\starttext
Foo\page Bar\inleft{Foobarb}
\stoptext
>
> Aditya
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: Why is the page off?
2017-07-03 6:42 ` Henri Menke
@ 2017-07-03 7:03 ` Henri Menke
2017-07-03 7:09 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Henri Menke @ 2017-07-03 7:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On Mon, 2017-07-03 at 18:42 +1200, Henri Menke wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-07-03 at 01:48 -0400, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 2 Jul 2017, Henri Menke wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Why is the page shifted? Reproducible in TL2017 and latest beta. See
> > > also attached. MWE is below.
> > Why do you think that the page is shifted? Or are you asking why does the
> > default layout set the left margin width to be larger than the backspace?
Just found this in "page-lay.mkiv"
%D The default dimensions are quite old and will not change.
%D The funny fractions were introduced when we went from fixed
%D dimensions to relative ones. Since \CONTEXT\ is a dutch
%D package, the dimensions are based on the metric system. The
%D asymmetrical layout is kind of handy for short
%D quick||and||dirty stapled documents.
> How about this? By default text in the margin can run off the page. Also the whole layout is
> symmetric (margin widths, margin distances) but shifted to the left. This looks like a bug to me.
> Furthermore it doesn't make sense to have a non-centred text block for onesided typesetting.
>
>
> \setuppapersize[A5][A4,landscape]
> \setuppaper[nx=2]
> \setuparranging[XY]
>
> \showframe
>
> \starttext
> Foo\page Bar\inleft{Foobarb}
> \stoptext
>
> >
> >
> > Aditya
> > ___________________________________________________________________________________
> > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
> >
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2017-07-03 6:42 ` Henri Menke
2017-07-03 7:03 ` Henri Menke
@ 2017-07-03 7:09 ` Hans Hagen
2017-07-03 9:00 ` Henri Menke
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-07-03 7:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 7/3/2017 8:42 AM, Henri Menke wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-07-03 at 01:48 -0400, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Jul 2017, Henri Menke wrote:
>>
>>> Why is the page shifted? Reproducible in TL2017 and latest beta. See
>>> also attached. MWE is below.
>>
>> Why do you think that the page is shifted? Or are you asking why does the
>> default layout set the left margin width to be larger than the backspace?
>
> How about this? By default text in the margin can run off the page. Also the whole layout is
> symmetric (margin widths, margin distances) but shifted to the left. This looks like a bug to me.
> Furthermore it doesn't make sense to have a non-centred text block for onesided typesetting.
theyt run off the page but are aligned to the text side so that permits
a bit more tolerance against wrapping to soon
>
> \setuppapersize[A5][A4,landscape]
> \setuppaper[nx=2]
> \setuparranging[XY]
>
> \showframe
>
> \starttext
> Foo\page Bar\inleft{Foobarb}
> \stoptext
>
>>
>> Aditya
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
>>
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>>
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
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2017-07-03 7:09 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2017-07-03 9:00 ` Henri Menke
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From: Henri Menke @ 2017-07-03 9:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 07/03/2017 07:09 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 7/3/2017 8:42 AM, Henri Menke wrote:
>> On Mon, 2017-07-03 at 01:48 -0400, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2 Jul 2017, Henri Menke wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why is the page shifted? Reproducible in TL2017 and latest beta. See
>>>> also attached. MWE is below.
>>>
>>> Why do you think that the page is shifted? Or are you asking why does the
>>> default layout set the left margin width to be larger than the backspace?
>>
>> How about this? By default text in the margin can run off the page. Also the whole layout is
>> symmetric (margin widths, margin distances) but shifted to the left. This looks like a bug to me.
>> Furthermore it doesn't make sense to have a non-centred text block for onesided typesetting.
>
> theyt run off the page but are aligned to the text side so that permits a bit more tolerance against wrapping to soon
I see. Would it be possible to add another layout to page-lay.mkiv? I guess a good name is "fit" because it fits all margins on the page.
\definelayout
[\v!fit]
[\v!middle]
[\c!backspace=\dimexpr\layoutparameter\c!leftmargin+\layoutparameter\c!leftmargindistance\relax,
\c!cutspace=\dimexpr\layoutparameter\c!rightmargin+\layoutparameter\c!rightmargindistance\relax]
>
>>
>> \setuppapersize[A5][A4,landscape]
>> \setuppaper[nx=2]
>> \setuparranging[XY]
>>
>> \showframe
>>
>> \starttext
>> Foo\page Bar\inleft{Foobarb}
>> \stoptext
>>
>>>
>>> Aditya
>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>
>
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