interaction strangeness

interaction strangeness

[H. van der Meer]

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Something strange happened here with the interaction in a pdf produced.
There are chapters reacting when clicked in the table of contents but some are not. Moreover, this behaviour changes with the version of context used.

I tried 3 versions of the beta:
ConTeXt  ver: 2013.10.15 13:52 MKIV beta
ConTeXt  ver: 2013.11.10 12:23 MKIV beta
One specific chapter does not jump to the starting page when clicked.

ConTeXt  ver: 2013.12.04 11:34 MKIV beta
Nothing changed in the source but now another chapter link also becomes inactive!

There is no ready explanation I can think of. Because the document in question is about 500 pages I do not yet have a minimal example at hand. And as I suspect the problem can have its origin in the complexity and/or size of the document, I fear the construction of a minimal example will be difficult. Therefore I am first asking if this problem is known already. Afterwards I will try to find a small example, of course.

Hans van der Meer




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Re: interaction strangeness

[H. van der Meer]

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Some further experimentation: interchanging two chapters makes the problem go away. 

It is reproducible, because putting the chapters back als brings the problem back. Even stranger, sitting at chapter 5 it kills the interaction for chapter 6 and 8, leaving the interactivity for the  intervening and later chapters intact.

Addition of content to the start of chapter 5 helped for chapter 6 but not for chapter 8, which seems strange.
Addition of content to the end of chapter 5 also helped for chapter 6

Addition of content to the start of chapter 7 did help to solve for chapter 8.

So I fear it has in some way to do with the moment the output routine is called in relation to the reference processing in \startchapter[title=,reference=].

Hans van der Meer



On 6 dec. 2013, at 12:42, H. van der Meer <H.vanderMeer@uva.nl> wrote:

> Something strange happened here with the interaction in a pdf produced.
> There are chapters reacting when clicked in the table of contents but some are not. Moreover, this behaviour changes with the version of context used.
> 
> I tried 3 versions of the beta:
> ConTeXt  ver: 2013.10.15 13:52 MKIV beta
> ConTeXt  ver: 2013.11.10 12:23 MKIV beta
> One specific chapter does not jump to the starting page when clicked.
> 
> ConTeXt  ver: 2013.12.04 11:34 MKIV beta
> Nothing changed in the source but now another chapter link also becomes inactive!
> 
> There is no ready explanation I can think of. Because the document in question is about 500 pages I do not yet have a minimal example at hand. And as I suspect the problem can have its origin in the complexity and/or size of the document, I fear the construction of a minimal example will be difficult. Therefore I am first asking if this problem is known already. Afterwards I will try to find a small example, of course.
> 
> Hans van der Meer
> 
> 
> 
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Re: interaction strangeness

[Alan Braslau]

I confirm the problem and the strange behavior when moving chapters
around or adding dummy chapters and sections.

I, too, have not yet been able to produce a minimal example, and we
have little hope of getting this fixed until we can produce such a
minimal example.

Alan


On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 14:50:20 +0100
"H. van der Meer" <H.vanderMeer@uva.nl> wrote:

> Some further experimentation: interchanging two chapters makes the
> problem go away. 
> 
> It is reproducible, because putting the chapters back als brings the
> problem back. Even stranger, sitting at chapter 5 it kills the
> interaction for chapter 6 and 8, leaving the interactivity for the
> intervening and later chapters intact.
> 
> Addition of content to the start of chapter 5 helped for chapter 6
> but not for chapter 8, which seems strange. Addition of content to
> the end of chapter 5 also helped for chapter 6
> 
> Addition of content to the start of chapter 7 did help to solve for
> chapter 8.
> 
> So I fear it has in some way to do with the moment the output routine
> is called in relation to the reference processing in
> \startchapter[title=,reference=].
> 
> Hans van der Meer
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 dec. 2013, at 12:42, H. van der Meer <H.vanderMeer@uva.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Something strange happened here with the interaction in a pdf
> > produced. There are chapters reacting when clicked in the table of
> > contents but some are not. Moreover, this behaviour changes with
> > the version of context used.
> > 
> > I tried 3 versions of the beta:
> > ConTeXt  ver: 2013.10.15 13:52 MKIV beta
> > ConTeXt  ver: 2013.11.10 12:23 MKIV beta
> > One specific chapter does not jump to the starting page when
> > clicked.
> > 
> > ConTeXt  ver: 2013.12.04 11:34 MKIV beta
> > Nothing changed in the source but now another chapter link also
> > becomes inactive!
> > 
> > There is no ready explanation I can think of. Because the document
> > in question is about 500 pages I do not yet have a minimal example
> > at hand. And as I suspect the problem can have its origin in the
> > complexity and/or size of the document, I fear the construction of
> > a minimal example will be difficult. Therefore I am first asking if
> > this problem is known already. Afterwards I will try to find a
> > small example, of course.
> > 
> > Hans van der Meer

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Re: interaction strangeness

[Jan Tosovsky]

On 2013-12-06 H. van der Meer wrote:
> Some further experimentation: interchanging two chapters makes the
> problem go away.
> 
> It is reproducible, because putting the chapters back als brings the
> problem back. Even stranger, sitting at chapter 5 it kills the
> interaction for chapter 6 and 8, leaving the interactivity for the
> intervening and later chapters intact.
> 
> Addition of content to the start of chapter 5 helped for chapter 6 but
> not for chapter 8, which seems strange.
> Addition of content to the end of chapter 5 also helped for chapter 6
> 
> Addition of content to the start of chapter 7 did help to solve for
> chapter 8.
> 
> So I fear it has in some way to do with the moment the output routine
> is
> called in relation to the reference processing in
> \startchapter[title=,reference=].

This topic was discussed few weeks ago without clear conclusion:
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2013/075988.html

In my case most of cases were resolved when I changed
\placebookmarks[chapter, section] just to \placebookmarks[chapter]
Although few cases still remain, it is much better now.

When the particular item doesn't react via bookmark, it doesn't react also
via ToC.

I plan to prepare an example for this, but for me it is not so urgent issue.

Jan

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Re: interaction strangeness

[Martin Moncrieffe]

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Nope..was sleeping. Just woke…

__martin

On 8 Dec 2013, at 19:55, Jan Tosovsky <j.tosovsky@email.cz> wrote:

> On 2013-12-06 H. van der Meer wrote:
>> Some further experimentation: interchanging two chapters makes the
>> problem go away.
>> 
>> It is reproducible, because putting the chapters back als brings the
>> problem back. Even stranger, sitting at chapter 5 it kills the
>> interaction for chapter 6 and 8, leaving the interactivity for the
>> intervening and later chapters intact.
>> 
>> Addition of content to the start of chapter 5 helped for chapter 6 but
>> not for chapter 8, which seems strange.
>> Addition of content to the end of chapter 5 also helped for chapter 6
>> 
>> Addition of content to the start of chapter 7 did help to solve for
>> chapter 8.
>> 
>> So I fear it has in some way to do with the moment the output routine
>> is
>> called in relation to the reference processing in
>> \startchapter[title=,reference=].
> 
> This topic was discussed few weeks ago without clear conclusion:
> http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2013/075988.html
> 
> In my case most of cases were resolved when I changed
> \placebookmarks[chapter, section] just to \placebookmarks[chapter]
> Although few cases still remain, it is much better now.
> 
> When the particular item doesn't react via bookmark, it doesn't react also
> via ToC.
> 
> I plan to prepare an example for this, but for me it is not so urgent issue.
> 
> Jan
> 
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