* Typographical quotes
@ 2021-11-27 15:21 Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context
2021-11-27 16:47 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2021-11-27 16:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context
0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context @ 2021-11-27 15:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: Jean-Philippe Rey
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Dear list,
When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe. But with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is there a new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ?
\starttext
John's
\stoptext
gives
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where I used to get
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Here is my log file
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system >
system > ConTeXt ver: 2021.11.19 09:31 LMTX fmt: 2021.11.22 int: english/english
system >
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system > beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.mkiv
close source > level 1, order 1, name '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
system > files > jobname './mfe-quote', input './mfe-quote.tex', result './mfe-quote'
fonts > latin modern fonts are not preloaded
languages > language 'en' is active
open source > level 1, order 2, name './mfe-quote.tex'
fonts > preloading latin modern fonts (second stage)
fonts > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded
backend > xmp > using file '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/lpdf-pdx.xml'
pages > flushing realpage 1, userpage 1, subpage 1
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mkiv lua stats > cleaned up reserved nodes: 71 nodes, 9 lists of 435
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system >
system > ConTeXt ver: 2021.11.19 09:31 LMTX fmt: 2021.11.22 int: english/english
system >
system > 'cont-new.mkxl' loaded
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system > beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.mkiv
close source > level 1, order 1, name '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
system > files > jobname './mfe-quote', input './mfe-quote.tex', result './mfe-quote'
fonts > latin modern fonts are not preloaded
languages > language 'en' is active
open source > level 1, order 2, name './mfe-quote.tex'
fonts > preloading latin modern fonts (second stage)
fonts > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded
backend > xmp > using file '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/lpdf-pdx.xml'
pages > flushing realpage 1, userpage 1, subpage 1
close source > level 1, order 2, name './mfe-quote.tex'
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mkiv lua stats > lua properties: engine: lua 5.4, used memory: 55 MB, ctx: 53 MB, max: 53 MB, symbol mask: utf (τεχ)
mkiv lua stats > runtime: 0.494 seconds, 1 processed pages, 1 shipped pages, 2.025 pages/second
system | total runtime: 1.036 seconds of 1.096 seconds
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Jean-Philippe Rey
jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr
91192 Gif-sur-Yvette Cedex - France
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* Re: Typographical quotes
2021-11-27 15:21 Typographical quotes Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context
@ 2021-11-27 16:47 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2021-11-27 16:47 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2021-11-27 16:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context
1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2021-11-27 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier
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Same here, but I get correct results with the –luatex flag
Denis
Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context
Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 16:22
An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Cc: Jean-Philippe Rey <jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr>
Betreff: [NTG-context] Typographical quotes
Dear list,
When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe. But with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is there a new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ?
\starttext
John's
\stoptext
gives
where I used to get
Here is my log file
resolvers | formats | executing runner 'run luametatex format': /Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/luametatex --jobname="./mfe-quote.tex" --fmt=/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luametatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.fmt --lua=/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luametatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.lui --c:currentrun=1 --c:fulljobname="./mfe-quote.tex" --c:input="./mfe-quote.tex" --c:kindofrun=1 --c:maxnofruns=9 --c:texmfbinpath="/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin"
system >
system > ConTeXt ver: 2021.11.19 09:31 LMTX fmt: 2021.11.22 int: english/english
system >
system > 'cont-new.mkxl' loaded
open source > level 1, order 1, name '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
system > beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.mkiv
close source > level 1, order 1, name '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
system > files > jobname './mfe-quote', input './mfe-quote.tex', result './mfe-quote'
fonts > latin modern fonts are not preloaded
languages > language 'en' is active
open source > level 1, order 2, name './mfe-quote.tex'
fonts > preloading latin modern fonts (second stage)
fonts > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded
backend > xmp > using file '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/lpdf-pdx.xml'
pages > flushing realpage 1, userpage 1, subpage 1
close source > level 1, order 2, name './mfe-quote.tex'
mkiv lua stats > used config file: selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua
mkiv lua stats > used cache path: /Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luametatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e
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mkiv lua stats > stored bytecode data: 499 modules (0.248 sec), 99 tables (0.013 sec), 598 chunks (0.260 sec)
mkiv lua stats > traced context: maxstack: 1607, freed: 0, unreachable: 1607
mkiv lua stats > cleaned up reserved nodes: 71 nodes, 9 lists of 435
mkiv lua stats > node memory usage: 6 attribute, 3 attribute_list, 1 glue, 58 glue_spec, 3 kern, 2 penalty, 2 temp
mkiv lua stats > node list callback tasks: 12 unique task lists, 7 instances (re)created, 45 calls
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mkiv lua stats > loaded patterns: en::1, load time: 0.000
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mkiv lua stats > font embedding time: 0.002 seconds, 1 fonts
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mkiv lua stats > positions: 4 collected, 0 deltas, 0 shared partials, 0 partial entries
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mkiv lua stats > tex properties: 740046 hash slots used of 2097152, 46674 control sequences, approximate memory usage: 29 MB
mkiv lua stats > lua properties: engine: lua 5.4, used memory: 55 MB, ctx: 53 MB, max: 53 MB, symbol mask: utf (τεχ)
mkiv lua stats > runtime: 0.500 seconds, 1 processed pages, 1 shipped pages, 1.998 pages/second
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system >
system > ConTeXt ver: 2021.11.19 09:31 LMTX fmt: 2021.11.22 int: english/english
system >
system > 'cont-new.mkxl' loaded
open source > level 1, order 1, name '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
system > beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.mkiv
close source > level 1, order 1, name '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
system > files > jobname './mfe-quote', input './mfe-quote.tex', result './mfe-quote'
fonts > latin modern fonts are not preloaded
languages > language 'en' is active
open source > level 1, order 2, name './mfe-quote.tex'
fonts > preloading latin modern fonts (second stage)
fonts > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded
backend > xmp > using file '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/lpdf-pdx.xml'
pages > flushing realpage 1, userpage 1, subpage 1
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mkiv lua stats > cleaned up reserved nodes: 71 nodes, 9 lists of 435
mkiv lua stats > node memory usage: 6 attribute, 3 attribute_list, 1 glue, 58 glue_spec, 3 kern, 2 penalty, 2 temp
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mkiv lua stats > positions: 4 collected, 0 deltas, 0 shared partials, 0 partial entries
mkiv lua stats > used platform: osx-64, type: unix, binary subtree: texmf-osx-64
mkiv lua stats > used engine: luametatex version: 2.093, functionality level: 20211117, format id: 603, compiler: clang
mkiv lua stats > tex properties: 740046 hash slots used of 2097152, 46673 control sequences, approximate memory usage: 29 MB
mkiv lua stats > lua properties: engine: lua 5.4, used memory: 55 MB, ctx: 53 MB, max: 53 MB, symbol mask: utf (τεχ)
mkiv lua stats > runtime: 0.494 seconds, 1 processed pages, 1 shipped pages, 2.025 pages/second
system | total runtime: 1.036 seconds of 1.096 seconds
--
Jean-Philippe Rey
jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr<mailto:jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr>
91192 Gif-sur-Yvette Cedex - France
Empreinte PGP : 807A 5B2C 69E4 D4B5 783A 428A 1B5E E83E 261B BF51
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* Re: Typographical quotes
2021-11-27 16:47 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2021-11-27 16:47 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2021-11-27 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier
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Oh, but I’m still on ConTeXt ver: 2021.10.24 21:45
I’ll need to check after an update.
Denis
Von: Maier, Denis Christian (UB)
Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 17:47
An: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users' <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Cc: Jean-Philippe Rey <jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr>
Betreff: AW: [NTG-context] Typographical quotes
Same here, but I get correct results with the –luatex flag
Denis
Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl<mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl>> Im Auftrag von Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context
Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 16:22
An: ntg-context@ntg.nl<mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Cc: Jean-Philippe Rey <jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr<mailto:jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr>>
Betreff: [NTG-context] Typographical quotes
Dear list,
When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe. But with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is there a new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ?
\starttext
John's
\stoptext
gives
where I used to get
Here is my log file
resolvers | formats | executing runner 'run luametatex format': /Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/luametatex --jobname="./mfe-quote.tex" --fmt=/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luametatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.fmt --lua=/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-cache/luametatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.lui --c:currentrun=1 --c:fulljobname="./mfe-quote.tex" --c:input="./mfe-quote.tex" --c:kindofrun=1 --c:maxnofruns=9 --c:texmfbinpath="/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin"
system >
system > ConTeXt ver: 2021.11.19 09:31 LMTX fmt: 2021.11.22 int: english/english
system >
system > 'cont-new.mkxl' loaded
open source > level 1, order 1, name '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
system > beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.mkiv
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* Re: Typographical quotes
2021-11-27 15:21 Typographical quotes Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context
2021-11-27 16:47 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2021-11-27 16:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context
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From: Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context @ 2021-11-27 16:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context
Cc: Wolfgang Schuster
Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 16:21:
> Dear list,
>
> When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe. But with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is there a new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ?
>
> \starttext
> John's
> \stoptext
The option is no longer part of the default feature set. To enable the
feature add "trep=yes" to the default features.
\definefontfeature [default] [default] [trep=yes]
\starttext
John's
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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2021-11-27 16:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context
@ 2021-11-27 17:04 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2021-11-27 17:08 ` Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context
2021-11-27 17:40 ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2021-11-27 17:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier
Thanks. What does trep stand for?
Denis
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Typographical quotes
>
> Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 16:21:
> > Dear list,
> >
> > When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe.
> But with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is
> there a new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ?
> >
> > \starttext
> > John's
> > \stoptext
>
> The option is no longer part of the default feature set. To enable the feature
> add "trep=yes" to the default features.
>
> \definefontfeature [default] [default] [trep=yes]
>
> \starttext
> John's
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
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* Re: Typographical quotes
2021-11-27 16:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context
2021-11-27 17:04 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2021-11-27 17:40 ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
2021-11-27 19:15 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context @ 2021-11-27 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context; +Cc: Aditya Mahajan
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote:
> Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 16:21:
> > Dear list,
> >
> > When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe. But
> with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is there a
> new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ?
> >
> > \starttext
> > John's
> > \stoptext
>
> The option is no longer part of the default feature set.
Personally, I think that that is a bit extreme. An apostrophe is a really common construct and I suspect that this change in default will mean that almost everyone needs to add tlig in their documents. We may perhaps need a 'sensible-defaults' module :-)
Aditya
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* Re: Typographical quotes
2021-11-27 17:40 ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
@ 2021-11-27 19:15 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2021-11-27 20:48 ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2021-11-27 19:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Hans Hagen
On 11/27/2021 6:40 PM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote:
>
>> Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 16:21:
>>> Dear list,
>>>
>>> When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe. But
>> with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is there a
>> new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ?
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>> John's
>>> \stoptext
>>
>> The option is no longer part of the default feature set.
>
> Personally, I think that that is a bit extreme. An apostrophe is a really common construct and I suspect that this change in default will mean that almost everyone needs to add tlig in their documents. We may perhaps need a 'sensible-defaults' module :-)
we entered the unicode world and left ascii space so for instance the
ugly enter `` '' and expect english double quotes is also a not-done
now, nor are !` and ?` for the spacing rotated ! and ?; i can't find the
font right now but there were with interesting space-something ligatures
that only didn't show up because tex has no space.
anyway, these kind of auto font dependent remappings and ligatures are
kind of tricky because they depend on the font and as such are a rather
specific 8 bit tex thing ... also, to some extend
now, there are more tex traditions that context doesn't support; take
this plain definition (there are many) dedicated to math users:
\mathcode`\^^D="225E % \land
which gives
\starttext
$^^D$
\stoptext
and as it's plain it's documented and in the tex book so users can
expect it. It's for those who can afford a
https://www.artlebedev.com/optimus/maximus/ (i don't have one and it's
no longer for sale, alas).
Anyway, it's easier to enabel a feature that to disable one when side
effects of font handling kicks in happen.
Hans
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2021-11-27 19:15 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
@ 2021-11-27 20:48 ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
2021-11-28 10:32 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context @ 2021-11-27 20:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Aditya Mahajan
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 11/27/2021 6:40 PM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote:
> >
> > > Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 16:21:
> > > > Dear list,
> > > >
> > > > When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe.
> > > > But
> > > with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is
> > > there a
> > > new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ?
> > > >
> > > > \starttext
> > > > John's
> > > > \stoptext
> > >
> > > The option is no longer part of the default feature set.
> >
> > Personally, I think that that is a bit extreme. An apostrophe is a really
> > common construct and I suspect that this change in default will mean that
> > almost everyone needs to add tlig in their documents. We may perhaps need a
> > 'sensible-defaults' module :-)
> we entered the unicode world and left ascii space so for instance the ugly
> enter `` '' and expect english double quotes is also a not-done now, nor are
> !` and ?` for the spacing rotated ! and ?; i can't find the font right now but
> there were with interesting space-something ligatures that only didn't show up
> because tex has no space.
I am okay with removing all these vestiges of TeX. But, I still think that the following should work okay:
Let's try blah blah ...
I could have entered it as
Let’s try blah blah ..
but it is not that natural to me.
> now, there are more tex traditions that context doesn't support; take this
> plain definition (there are many) dedicated to math users:
I am not opposed to remove 8bit TeX hacks. I was simply objecting for removing the apostrophe mapping. For example, you used it in the sentence above (in “don't”)!
> Anyway, it's easier to enabel a feature that to disable one when side effects
> of font handling kicks in happen.
I agree. Maybe I'll just add a imap in vim to map ' to ’ and forget about it....
Aditya
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2021-11-27 20:48 ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
@ 2021-11-28 10:32 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2021-11-28 10:44 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2021-11-28 10:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Hans Hagen
On 11/27/2021 9:48 PM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context wrote:
> I am not opposed to remove 8bit TeX hacks. I was simply objecting for removing the apostrophe mapping. For example, you used it in the sentence above (in “don't”)!
english quotes have hyjacked dutch quotes so long ago i already gave up
on caring too much ... when keying in i really hate visual ugliness so
that's why i never did `foo' or ``foo'' and just 'foo' (lucky me
programming languages work that way although the new fashion seems to be
to have tons of ligatures in coding expressions)
Hans
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2021-11-28 10:32 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
@ 2021-11-28 10:44 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
2021-11-28 11:20 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context @ 2021-11-28 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 28.11.21 um 11:32 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> On 11/27/2021 9:48 PM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context wrote:
>
>> I am not opposed to remove 8bit TeX hacks. I was simply objecting for
>> removing the apostrophe mapping. For example, you used it in the
>> sentence above (in “don't”)!
> english quotes have hyjacked dutch quotes so long ago i already gave up
> on caring too much ...
It’s not English vs. Dutch (or any other language) but keyboard layout
limitations from the typewriter era vs. typography.
" and ' are wrong in English, too.
Hraban the Typesetter
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2021-11-28 10:44 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
@ 2021-11-28 11:20 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2021-11-28 11:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Hans Hagen
On 11/28/2021 11:44 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
> Am 28.11.21 um 11:32 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
>> On 11/27/2021 9:48 PM, Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context wrote:
>>
>>> I am not opposed to remove 8bit TeX hacks. I was simply objecting for
>>> removing the apostrophe mapping. For example, you used it in the
>>> sentence above (in “don't”)!
>> english quotes have hyjacked dutch quotes so long ago i already gave
>> up on caring too much ...
>
> It’s not English vs. Dutch (or any other language) but keyboard layout
> limitations from the typewriter era vs. typography.
>
> " and ' are wrong in English, too.
sure, i know that, but i was more refering to the fact that the visual
rendering (even publisher specs) became 'use the english ones', shape
and location wise (high/low) .. the dutch seem to care less about it
than germans, french, czech etc (same for positioning of quotes)
Hans
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* Re: Typographical quotes
2021-11-27 17:40 ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
2021-11-27 19:15 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
@ 2021-11-27 21:09 ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context @ 2021-11-27 21:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 27.11.21 um 18:40 schrieb Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote:
>> The option is no longer part of the default feature set.
>
> Personally, I think that that is a bit extreme. An apostrophe is a really common construct and I suspect that this change in default will mean that almost everyone needs to add tlig in their documents. We may perhaps need a 'sensible-defaults' module :-)
Nothing against such a module, but I think it’s wrong to expect
automatical text replacements. If I type ' or " or -- I don’t want that
replaced, even if it may be traditional TeX behavior.
Is it too much to remember a few shortkeys for typographical glyphs?
Hraban
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* Re: Typographical quotes
2021-11-27 16:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context
2021-11-27 17:04 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2021-11-27 17:40 ` Aditya Mahajan via ntg-context
@ 2021-11-27 18:47 ` Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context
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From: Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context @ 2021-11-27 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Wolfgang Schuster; +Cc: Jean-Philippe Rey, mailing list for ConTeXt users
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> Le 27 nov. 2021 à 17:59, Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 16:21:
>> Dear list,
>>
>> When typing a straight quotation mark, I used to get a curly apostrophe. But with a recent version of ConTeXt, I now get a straight apostrophe. Is there a new option to convert automatically straight into curly apostrophes ?
>>
>> \starttext
>> John's
>> \stoptext
>
> The option is no longer part of the default feature set. To enable the feature add "trep=yes" to the default features.
>
> \definefontfeature [default] [default] [trep=yes]
Thanks a lot Wolfgang. Where can we find the current default feature set ?
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