[NTG-context] Complete novice, why does it seem that LuaLaTeX (Compiled via LaTeX Workshop with MikTeX and added packages on Windows) will generate a more compact result than ConTeXt?

[NTG-context] Complete novice, why does it seem that LuaLaTeX (Compiled via LaTeX Workshop with MikTeX and added packages on Windows) will generate a more compact result than ConTeXt?

[fm117575]

Hello, ConTeXt mailing list! I have a question regarding a difference in the code that I have which uses the same paper size and margin settings, and also the same indentation rules and font size and font. It seems that ConTeXt (which I compiled via Windows Terminal, this *is* the proper way to compile ConTeXt docs, right?) seems to make text that is less... compact, and I am not sure if this is due to me not adding features that I **should** have turned on in ConTeXt when using Times New Roman that is installed by default on Windows. I also was not able to get a "proper (?)" single quote like when Word or LaTeX compiles "Don't", that ' is a straight quote in the compiled text. 

I also heard that ConTeXT would be much better for typography since it does have a more advanced typographical engine as the base (and this is a big reason as to why I want to switch to ConTeXt, pretty much everything is built in, I just can't understand documentation that well), and this may be because my code is very basic and I do not know how do properly do ConTeXt. Is it possible that ConTeXt also has a more "correct" way of formatting? Anyways, thank you for reading and taking the time to read this post. 

LuaLaTeX code: https://pastebin.com/p5aWxAyK

ConTeXt code: https://pastebin.com/DsMnxMvY

ConTeXT current version: 2024.07.31 19:43
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[NTG-context] Re: Complete novice, why does it seem that LuaLaTeX (Compiled via LaTeX Workshop with MikTeX and added packages on Windows) will generate a more compact result than ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/13/2024 4:49 PM, fm117575@students.panola.edu wrote:
> Hello, ConTeXt mailing list! I have a question regarding a difference in the code that I have which uses the same paper size and margin settings, and also the same indentation rules and font size and font. It seems that ConTeXt (which I compiled via Windows Terminal, this *is* the proper way to compile ConTeXt docs, right?) seems to make text that is less... compact, and I am not sure if this is due to me not adding features that I **should** have turned on in ConTeXt when using Times New Roman that is installed by default on Windows. I also was not able to get a "proper (?)" single quote like when Word or LaTeX compiles "Don't", that ' is a straight quote in the compiled text.
> 
> I also heard that ConTeXT would be much better for typography since it does have a more advanced typographical engine as the base (and this is a big reason as to why I want to switch to ConTeXt, pretty much everything is built in, I just can't understand documentation that well), and this may be because my code is very basic and I do not know how do properly do ConTeXt. Is it possible that ConTeXt also has a more "correct" way of formatting? Anyways, thank you for reading and taking the time to read this post.
> 
> LuaLaTeX code: https://pastebin.com/p5aWxAyK
> 
> ConTeXt code: https://pastebin.com/DsMnxMvY
Can you explain what you mean with less compact? Can we assume that you 
are running the LMTX version? (luametatex engine)

\showframe

\setuppapersize
   [letter]
   [letter]

\setuplayout[
     backspace=0.5in,
     topspace=0.5in,
     header=0in, % No headers
     footer=0in, % Space for the footer
     width=middle,
     height=middle,
]

\setupbodyfont[termes,12pt]

\mainlanguage[en]

\setupindenting[yes,0.5in]

\startsetups document:start
     \centerline{\documentvariable{title}}
     \centerline{\documentvariable{author}}
     \centerline{\documentvariable{date}}
     \blank[line]
\stopsetups

\startdocument[title=Title,author=Author,date=Date]

...

\stopdocument


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[NTG-context] Re: Complete novice, why does it seem that LuaLaTeX (Compiled via LaTeX Workshop with MikTeX and added packages on Windows) will generate a more compact result than ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Hans Hagen via ntg-context schrieb am 13.08.2024 um 17:40:
> On 8/13/2024 4:49 PM, fm117575@students.panola.edu wrote:
>> Hello, ConTeXt mailing list! I have a question regarding a difference 
>> in the code that I have which uses the same paper size and margin 
>> settings, and also the same indentation rules and font size and font. 
>> It seems that ConTeXt (which I compiled via Windows Terminal, this 
>> *is* the proper way to compile ConTeXt docs, right?) seems to make 
>> text that is less... compact, and I am not sure if this is due to me 
>> not adding features that I **should** have turned on in ConTeXt when 
>> using Times New Roman that is installed by default on Windows. I also 
>> was not able to get a "proper (?)" single quote like when Word or 
>> LaTeX compiles "Don't", that ' is a straight quote in the compiled text.
>>
>> I also heard that ConTeXT would be much better for typography since 
>> it does have a more advanced typographical engine as the base (and 
>> this is a big reason as to why I want to switch to ConTeXt, pretty 
>> much everything is built in, I just can't understand documentation 
>> that well), and this may be because my code is very basic and I do 
>> not know how do properly do ConTeXt. Is it possible that ConTeXt also 
>> has a more "correct" way of formatting? Anyways, thank you for 
>> reading and taking the time to read this post.
>>
>> LuaLaTeX code: https://pastebin.com/p5aWxAyK
>>
>> ConTeXt code: https://pastebin.com/DsMnxMvY
> Can you explain what you mean with less compact? Can we assume that 
> you are running the LMTX version? (luametatex engine)
>
> [...]
>
> \setupbodyfont[termes,12pt]

To get Times New Roman as font replace the \setupbodyfont line from the 
example of Hans
with the following settings. The \definefontfeature line replaces all ' 
in your text with
a apostrophe.

\definefontfeature [default] [default] [trep=yes]

\definefontfamily [TimesNewRoman] [rm]        [Times New Roman]
\definetypeface   [TimesNewRoman] [mm] [math] [termes]

\setupbodyfont [TimesNewRoman,12pt]

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Complete novice, why does it seem that LuaLaTeX (Compiled via LaTeX Workshop with MikTeX and added packages on Windows) will generate a more compact result than ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Hans Hagen via ntg-context schrieb am 13.08.2024 um 17:40:
> On 8/13/2024 4:49 PM, fm117575@students.panola.edu wrote:
>> Hello, ConTeXt mailing list! I have a question regarding a difference 
>> in the code that I have which uses the same paper size and margin 
>> settings, and also the same indentation rules and font size and font. 
>> It seems that ConTeXt (which I compiled via Windows Terminal, this 
>> *is* the proper way to compile ConTeXt docs, right?) seems to make 
>> text that is less... compact, and I am not sure if this is due to me 
>> not adding features that I **should** have turned on in ConTeXt when 
>> using Times New Roman that is installed by default on Windows. I also 
>> was not able to get a "proper (?)" single quote like when Word or 
>> LaTeX compiles "Don't", that ' is a straight quote in the compiled text.
>>
>> I also heard that ConTeXT would be much better for typography since 
>> it does have a more advanced typographical engine as the base (and 
>> this is a big reason as to why I want to switch to ConTeXt, pretty 
>> much everything is built in, I just can't understand documentation 
>> that well), and this may be because my code is very basic and I do 
>> not know how do properly do ConTeXt. Is it possible that ConTeXt also 
>> has a more "correct" way of formatting? Anyways, thank you for 
>> reading and taking the time to read this post.
>>
>> LuaLaTeX code: https://pastebin.com/p5aWxAyK
>>
>> ConTeXt code: https://pastebin.com/DsMnxMvY
> Can you explain what you mean with less compact?

The default baseline distance of LaTeX is AFAIK 1.2 times the font size, 
adding

     \setupinterlinespace [line=1.2\bodyfontsize]

to the document setup should produce similar results with ConTeXt.

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Complete novice, why does it seem that LuaLaTeX (Compiled via LaTeX Workshop with MikTeX and added packages on Windows) will generate a more compact result than ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/13/2024 8:30 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Hans Hagen via ntg-context schrieb am 13.08.2024 um 17:40:
>> On 8/13/2024 4:49 PM, fm117575@students.panola.edu wrote:
>>> Hello, ConTeXt mailing list! I have a question regarding a difference 
>>> in the code that I have which uses the same paper size and margin 
>>> settings, and also the same indentation rules and font size and font. 
>>> It seems that ConTeXt (which I compiled via Windows Terminal, this 
>>> *is* the proper way to compile ConTeXt docs, right?) seems to make 
>>> text that is less... compact, and I am not sure if this is due to me 
>>> not adding features that I **should** have turned on in ConTeXt when 
>>> using Times New Roman that is installed by default on Windows. I also 
>>> was not able to get a "proper (?)" single quote like when Word or 
>>> LaTeX compiles "Don't", that ' is a straight quote in the compiled text.
>>>
>>> I also heard that ConTeXT would be much better for typography since 
>>> it does have a more advanced typographical engine as the base (and 
>>> this is a big reason as to why I want to switch to ConTeXt, pretty 
>>> much everything is built in, I just can't understand documentation 
>>> that well), and this may be because my code is very basic and I do 
>>> not know how do properly do ConTeXt. Is it possible that ConTeXt also 
>>> has a more "correct" way of formatting? Anyways, thank you for 
>>> reading and taking the time to read this post.
>>>
>>> LuaLaTeX code: https://pastebin.com/p5aWxAyK
>>>
>>> ConTeXt code: https://pastebin.com/DsMnxMvY
>> Can you explain what you mean with less compact?
> 
> The default baseline distance of LaTeX is AFAIK 1.2 times the font size, 
> adding
> 
>      \setupinterlinespace [line=1.2\bodyfontsize]
> 
> to the document setup should produce similar results with ConTeXt.
that interlinespace is kind of bad as it can lead to inconsistent line 
spacing

[dp \the\strutdp] \dorecurse{"FFFF}{%
     \ifdim\fontchardp\font#1>\strutdp
        \char#1 \space
     \fi
}

[ht \the\strutht] \dorecurse{"FFFF}{%
     \ifdim\fontcharht\font#1>\strutht
        \char#1 \space
     \fi
}

So, if oen really wants to go that cramped, maybe try

\setupinterlinespace [line=1.2\bodyfontsize,height=.75,depth=.25]

Hans

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