[NTG-context] creating a printed book

[NTG-context] creating a printed book

[David Roderick]

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I have created 22 MSword files mainly text with embedded PNG diagrams.  I
am seeking to have these converted to Context and to redo the (simple)
diagrams.  I was thinking of using MetaPost.  I am seeking to pay a
typesetter to assist me in this task.  I would be willing to pay for your
time or for the time of a colleague you could direct me to.  I am seeking
to have typeset a book.  The MSWord files have already been professionally
proof-read, and the subject matter is political economy from the 18th
century and how this translates to and may contradict conventional wisdom
within the field of modern economics.

Other typesetters I have contacted have suggested running pandoc to create
a LaTeX file and use Tikz for the diagrams.  But I have spent 3 days
reading on advancements in the ConText side of the industry which I suspect
is far more advanced.  I would prefer to use better tools as a longer term
solution.  Can you advise me?

David Roderick.

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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[Hraban Ramm]

Am 11.10.24 um 18:19 schrieb David Roderick:
> I have created 22 MSword files mainly text with embedded PNG 
> diagrams.  I am seeking to have these converted to Context and to redo 
> the (simple) diagrams.  I was thinking of using MetaPost.  I am 
> seeking to pay a typesetter to assist me in this task.  I would be 
> willing to pay for your time or for the time of a colleague you could 
> direct me to.  I am seeking to have typeset a book.  The MSWord files 
> have already been professionally proof-read, and the subject matter is 
> political economy from the 18th century and how this translates to and 
> may contradict conventional wisdom within the field of modern economics.
>
> Other typesetters I have contacted have suggested running pandoc to 
> create a LaTeX file and use Tikz for the diagrams.  But I have spent 3 
> days reading on advancements in the ConText side of the industry which 
> I suspect is far more advanced.  I would prefer to use better tools as 
> a longer term solution.  Can you advise me?

Hi David,

I would take your order, but you can also try it yourself with my tools:
https://codeberg.org/fiee/context-tools/src/branch/master/docx2ctx

Pandoc can also generate ConTeXt code; try which you like better.

Best, Hraban
www.fiee.net

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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 10/11/2024 10:16 PM, Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 11.10.24 um 18:19 schrieb David Roderick:
>> I have created 22 MSword files mainly text with embedded PNG 
>> diagrams.  I am seeking to have these converted to Context and to redo 
>> the (simple) diagrams.  I was thinking of using MetaPost.  I am 
>> seeking to pay a typesetter to assist me in this task.  I would be 
>> willing to pay for your time or for the time of a colleague you could 
>> direct me to.  I am seeking to have typeset a book.  The MSWord files 
>> have already been professionally proof-read, and the subject matter is 
>> political economy from the 18th century and how this translates to and 
>> may contradict conventional wisdom within the field of modern economics.
>>
>> Other typesetters I have contacted have suggested running pandoc to 
>> create a LaTeX file and use Tikz for the diagrams.  But I have spent 3 
>> days reading on advancements in the ConText side of the industry which 
>> I suspect is far more advanced.  I would prefer to use better tools as 
>> a longer term solution.  Can you advise me?
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> I would take your order, but you can also try it yourself with my tools:
> https://codeberg.org/fiee/context-tools/src/branch/master/docx2ctx
> 
> Pandoc can also generate ConTeXt code; try which you like better.

I'd never go that route when, as mentioned, a high quality document is 
needed which can involve control (for which one can e.g. use instances 
for specific components). Coding in TeX speak is not that bad. Also, one 
is more likely to get answers for specific problems on the list.

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[angel.of.north]

I think that there is a bug in your docx2ctx.py.  It works for files which do not have embedded pngs  in them.  But for files which do:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/dmr104/Downloads/context-tools/docx2ctx/docx2ctx.py", line 872, in <module>
    process_doc(Path(doc), copy.copy(args))
  File "/home/dmr104/Downloads/context-tools/docx2ctx/docx2ctx.py", line 673, in process_doc
    result = obj.process()
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/home/dmr104/Downloads/context-tools/docx2ctx/docx2ctx.py", line 515, in process
    dst_fname = self.options['imagedir'] / pname.name
                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^~~~~~~~~~~~
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for /: 'str' and 'str'

2024-10-12 23:21:10,979 DEBUG   a_graphic ['xmlns:a']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,979 DEBUG   pic_cNvPr ['id', 'name']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,980 DEBUG   a_blip ['r:embed']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,980 DEBUG   image reference found: rId7 = image2.png
2024-10-12 23:21:10,980 DEBUG   p ['w14:paraId', 'w14:textId', 'w:rsidR', 'w:rsidRDefault', 'w:rsidP']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,980 DEBUG   pStyle ['w:val']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,980 DEBUG   p ['w14:paraId', 'w14:textId', 'w:rsidR', 'w:rsidRDefault', 'w:rsidP']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,980 DEBUG   pStyle ['w:val']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,980 DEBUG   p ['w14:paraId', 'w14:textId', 'w:rsidR', 'w:rsidRDefault', 'w:rsidP']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,981 DEBUG   pStyle ['w:val']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,981 DEBUG   p ['w14:paraId', 'w14:textId', 'w:rsidR', 'w:rsidRDefault', 'w:rsidP']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,981 DEBUG   pStyle ['w:val']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,981 DEBUG   p ['w14:paraId', 'w14:textId', 'w:rsidR', 'w:rsidRDefault', 'w:rsidP']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,981 DEBUG   pStyle ['w:val']
2024-10-12 23:21:10,981 DEBUG   Not an image file: [Content_Types].xml
2024-10-12 23:21:10,982 DEBUG   Not an image file: _rels/.rels
2024-10-12 23:21:10,982 DEBUG   Not an image file: word/document.xml
2024-10-12 23:21:10,982 DEBUG   Not an image file: word/_rels/document.xml.rels
2024-10-12 23:21:10,982 DEBUG   Not an image file: word/footnotes.xml
2024-10-12 23:21:10,982 DEBUG   Not an image file: word/endnotes.xml
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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[angel.of.north]

Hi Hans,
Are you suggesting that both of Hraban's options you would not go for, or just the latter (pandoc)?  What would you recommend to take a MSWord file and produce a ConText document?  Should I be thinking of doing all the ConText markups manually?  

David
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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 13.10.24 um 00:32 schrieb angel.of.north@gmail.com:
> I think that there is a bug in your docx2ctx.py.  It works for files which do not have embedded pngs  in them.  But for files which do:
> TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for /: 'str' and 'str'

I forgot a pathlib.Path, it’s fixed now. Apparently I never had embedded 
images since I changed that code…

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 12.10.24 um 19:59 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> On 10/11/2024 10:16 PM, Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> Am 11.10.24 um 18:19 schrieb David Roderick:
>>> I have created 22 MSword files mainly text with embedded PNG 
>>> diagrams.  I am seeking to have these converted to Context and to 
>>> redo the (simple) diagrams.  I was thinking of using MetaPost.  I am 
>>> seeking to pay a typesetter to assist me in this task.  I would be 
>>> willing to pay for your time or for the time of a colleague you could 
>>> direct me to.  I am seeking to have typeset a book.  The MSWord files 
>>> have already been professionally proof-read, and the subject matter 
>>> is political economy from the 18th century and how this translates to 
>>> and may contradict conventional wisdom within the field of modern 
>>> economics.
>>>
>>> Other typesetters I have contacted have suggested running pandoc to 
>>> create a LaTeX file and use Tikz for the diagrams.  But I have spent 
>>> 3 days reading on advancements in the ConText side of the industry 
>>> which I suspect is far more advanced.  I would prefer to use better 
>>> tools as a longer term solution.  Can you advise me?
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> I would take your order, but you can also try it yourself with my tools:
>> https://codeberg.org/fiee/context-tools/src/branch/master/docx2ctx
>>
>> Pandoc can also generate ConTeXt code; try which you like better.
> 
> I'd never go that route when, as mentioned, a high quality document is 
> needed which can involve control (for which one can e.g. use instances 
> for specific components). Coding in TeX speak is not that bad. Also, one 
> is more likely to get answers for specific problems on the list.

I don’t suggest using DOC(X) to directly create PDF via Pandoc and 
ConTeXt, just converting DOC(X) to ConTeXt for further processing.

The direct approach works only with simple and/or very consistently 
styled documents.

For my youth novel, I’m writing in LibreOffice, convert ODS to DOCX, 
convert that to ConTeXt with my script and finalize the code with an 
additional script, so that it doesn’t need further tweaking. This works 
only because I control the source and the converter.

My script is not trying to keep the layout, just the structure and some 
formatting.

It can extract embedded images (again, since I fixed the bug) and 
creates an \externalfigure, but that usually isn’t enough. Similar 
situation with embedded tables (the conversion is not good, I’ll 
probably enhance it a bit as soon as I need it).

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 10/13/2024 2:19 PM, angel.of.north@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> Are you suggesting that both of Hraban's options you would not go for, or just the latter (pandoc)?  What would you recommend to take a MSWord file and produce a ConText document?  Should I be thinking of doing all the ConText markups manually?

It depends on the document. You could do an initial conversions "a la 
Rhaban" but from then on work in "tex lingua". Once you are accustomed 
to it, it's not that hard.

I admit that I never had to work in Word or something other than TeX 
(before that ascii with simple markup a bit like markdown but that was 
ages ago before there was markdown so i wrote a parser and made sure all 
was formatted well for a daisy wheel line printer and/or laser printer).

Maybe just look around abit on the documentation (source) tree to see 
how larger documents look in tex code.

Hans


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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[David Roderick]

Thank you for fixing this.  I espy another feature which is required.  I save the png's into a subdirectory called images_0007 which is a subdirectory of where my tex files are located.  I run context from the latter (main or lower) working directory.  Your script looks for the png's in this lower (main) directory:

 \startplacefigure[location=here,reference=Picture 1178610960,title={}]% rId6
 \externalfigure[image1.png]                                  
 \stopplacefigure 

should be:  
\startplacefigure[location=here,reference=Picture 1178610960,title={}]% rId6
\externalfigure[images_00007/image1.png][hfactor=fit]                                  
\stopplacefigure

If you could fix this it would be greatly appreciated, and methinks useful.

David Roderick
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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 14.10.24 um 13:12 schrieb David Roderick:
> Thank you for fixing this.  I espy another feature which is required.  I save the png's into a subdirectory called images_0007 which is a subdirectory of where my tex files are located.  I run context from the latter (main or lower) working directory.  Your script looks for the png's in this lower (main) directory:
> 
>   \startplacefigure[location=here,reference=Picture 1178610960,title={}]% rId6
>   \externalfigure[image1.png]
>   \stopplacefigure
> 
> should be:
> \startplacefigure[location=here,reference=Picture 1178610960,title={}]% rId6
> \externalfigure[images_00007/image1.png][hfactor=fit]
> \stopplacefigure
> 
> If you could fix this it would be greatly appreciated, and methinks useful.

You’re right, that makes sense.
I added the path, but not the width setting.

I never used extracted images unchanged; usually the result of the 
script is just raw material for me, so I can live with imperfections.

Perhaps it would make sense to use adaptable templates for all 
constructs (paragraph, itemization, table, image…); for me, the main 
missing feature is splitting by chapter.

This little script won’t become something like Pandoc.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[Wolfgang Schuster]

David Roderick schrieb am 14.10.2024 um 13:12:
> Thank you for fixing this.  I espy another feature which is required.  I save the png's into a subdirectory called images_0007 which is a subdirectory of where my tex files are located.  I run context from the latter (main or lower) working directory.  Your script looks for the png's in this lower (main) directory:
>
>   \startplacefigure[location=here,reference=Picture 1178610960,title={}]% rId6
>   \externalfigure[image1.png]
>   \stopplacefigure
>
> should be:
> \startplacefigure[location=here,reference=Picture 1178610960,title={}]% rId6
> \externalfigure[images_00007/image1.png][hfactor=fit]
> \stopplacefigure
>
> If you could fix this it would be greatly appreciated, and methinks useful.

You don't have to include the subdirectory in \externalfigure when you 
set the search path at the begin of the document with

\setupexternalfigures[directory=images_00007]

Even the file extension can be left out.

%%%% begin example
\setupexternalfigures[directory=images_00007]

\starttext

\startplacefigure[reference=Picture 1178610960]
\externalfigure[image1][hfactor=fit]
\stopplacefigure

\stoptext
%%%% end example

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[David Roderick]

I have 22 image_000?? directories and file names start as image1, image2 in each one, so even if this path permitted globbing, or regexps, the filenames would clobber each other.  should image1 be in image_0006 or image_00019 directory, for example?

Incidentally the definition is:
\setupexternalfigures [...,...] [..,..=..,..]
1 NAME                           OPT
2 inherits: \setupexternalfigure 

Does this mean \setupexternalfigure (single) inherits from \setupexternalfigures (plural)?  Yes or no?  To say \setupexternalfigures (plural) inherits \setupfigure (single) means that the child (\setupexternalfigures --plural) inherits from the parent (\setupexternalfigure -- singular).  Is this a grammatical mistake?  e.g. if I inherit 10^6 Euros from my father than I as the benefactor inherit what the deceased has bequeathed to me.  Here, my father would here be the plural and I the singular: I would "inherit from" my father, and I would inherit 10^ Euros.  The way this stands as it is written means that my father inherits me: which is that I am inherited by my father.  Should the definition actually be (?):
\setupexternalfigures [...,...] [..,..=..,..]
1 NAME                           OPT
2 inherited by: \setupexternalfigure 

David Roderick
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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 14.10.24 um 18:17 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> You don't have to include the subdirectory in \externalfigure when you 
> set the search path at the begin of the document with
> Even the file extension can be left out.

I know, but for the generated code it makes sense to include both, IMO.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: creating a printed book

[Denis Maier via ntg-context]

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