From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/42594 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Bowen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: inter-word spacing (initials) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:33:08 -0400 Message-ID: <174C232E-8D56-490A-9427-B5EA129C2DC9@princeton.edu> References: <4880E3A7.9040906@gmx.net> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216413295 14159 80.91.229.12 (18 Jul 2008 20:34:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:34:55 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Jul 18 22:35:42 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KJwg1-0005c3-VW for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:35:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071091FC45; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:34:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13678-01-3; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:33:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173481FC11; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:33:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E552A1FC11 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:33:49 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13400-01-5 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:33:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from gold.muskoka.com (gold.muskoka.com [209.91.173.234]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1618D1FB98 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:33:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from hunt-ppp-66-186-79-122.vianet.ca (hunt-ppp-66-186-79-122.vianet.ca [66.186.79.122]) by gold.muskoka.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D67C3A0E for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:33:10 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4880E3A7.9040906@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:42594 Archived-At: Thanks, Peter. You are right about (Plain) TeX--I just got into the = habit of inserting them. Defining my own macro to reproduce the control space is a possibility, = and I will do that IF the current behavior of =93.\ =92 and the tilde in = MKII is not remedied. (I have not switched to MKIV yet, but wonder = what happens there.) The downside is that there is a good number of = documents that will require have to be encoded accordingly. Cheers, Alan On Jul 18, 2008, at 14;40,39 , Peter Rolf wrote: > Alan Bowen schrieb: >> My original query has generated some interesting sidelines but no >> solution, at least none that I can see. So, with all due apologies, I >> shall presume on your patience by restating my query. >> >> In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence >> is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the >> days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra- >> sentence period by entering =93.\=94. My problem is that this no >> longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: =93. = >> \=94 >> does not seem to have any effect at all. >> > are you sure of that? > > a citation from "The TeXbook", chapter 12: Glue > > "Another way to get TeX to put out a normal space is to type '\ ' > (control space); e.g., 'Mr.\ Drofnats' would be almost the same as > 'Mr.~Drofnats', exept that a line might end after the 'Mr.'. " > > also: you don't need a control space here > > from the exercise 12.5: > > "TeX doesn't consider a period or question mark or exclamation point = > to > be the end of a sentence if the preceding character is an uppercase > letter, since TeX assumes that such uppercase letters are most likely > somebody's initials'. " > > > what you want is just a smaller skip. so how about a *local* use of > something like > > \def\ {\thinspace}% > > donno if this is possible (side effects) in your environment. maybe = > one > of the gurus can give an answer. anyhow, interesting stuff :) > > > best wishes, peter > >> So, how are we now to get the proper spacing after an intra-sentence >> period? Are there some language/spacing commands that need to be >> invoked in the prelims now? >> >> Sample text: >> \starttext >> >> A. E. Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers. >> >> A.\ E.\ Samuels and other scholars. 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