From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from cgl.ntg.nl (Cgl.ntg.nl [5.39.185.202]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6112624F7A for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:38:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cgl.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE91F4847E1 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:37:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cgl.ntg.nl Received: from cgl.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cgl.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f5QZJrLACli6 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:37:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cgl.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cgl.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D47A484664 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:37:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cgl.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D99484658 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:37:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cgl.ntg.nl Received: from cgl.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cgl.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ejl14ggRuP6E for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:37:28 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=116.202.254.214; helo=ciao.gmane.io; envelope-from=gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane-mx.org; receiver= X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at cgl.ntg.nl; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:37:28 CEST Received: from ciao.gmane.io (ciao.gmane.io [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by cgl.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82948484657 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:37:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sKad8-0007wg-L2 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:32:26 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ntg-context@ntg.nl From: Ulrike Fischer Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:32:17 +0200 Message-ID: <17x1s07ptp8c0.dlg@nililand.de> References: <87e308cd-4568-4453-818e-ff7d58c80338@fiee.net> <25fc4604-d270-4f12-a1de-766b08aca642@gmx.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.41de Message-ID-Hash: HAVFQPD7T46TS4AU6PCIC7JOAMJ3XY67 X-Message-ID-Hash: HAVFQPD7T46TS4AU6PCIC7JOAMJ3XY67 X-MailFrom: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane-mx.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: news3@nililand.de, mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: [NTG-context] Re: (off-topic) hovering over links in Acrobat Reader List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am Thu, 20 Jun 2024 17:33:56 +0200 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context: > \setuptagging[state=start] is the culprit. "link" is the word displayed > when links are hovered over. well it would imho be better not to use that at all. Sorry but what context is doing here is cheating. It claims to add a structure (and probably manage to pass automated tests) but all StructElem with the exception of links are role mapped to NonStruct and so are non functional. Links miss the OBJR reference. Annotations only all have as /Content a generic text (link) (which creates your hover effect). When I let Adobe+NVDA read a PDF tagged with LaTeX it recognize and announces structures: heading level 2 A section text table with 2 rows and 2 columns row 1 column 1 header A column 2 header B row 2 header A column 1 data A header B column 2 data B out of table link https://www.example.com I can navigate from one heading to the next and inside tables (and when I hover a link the pop up is correct as we are setting the right Contents value.) If you do the same with a document tagged with context you only get a large blob of text A section textHeader AHeader B data Adata B https://contextgarden.net and no navigation at all. All the tagging in the file is useless, it even actually harms because it makes user believe they get an accessible PDF. Tagged, accessible PDF has a lot of shortcomings, especially when it comes to complex documents and math, but for standard documents it can do much better then what context is making out of it. -- Ulrike Fischer http://www.troubleshooting-tex.de/ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________