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However, I also have to agree with some of what has been said about the lac= k of good documentation for those learning ConTeXt.=C2=A0 I've built a coup= le of simple documents using ConTeXt, but I'm having trouble customizing to= get some functionality that I used to get from LaTeX packages, and to cust= omize things to fix issues that I had with LaTeX.=C2=A0 I typeset technical= papers and books with complex diagrams (e.g. xypic), charts and tables, ta= bles embedded in tables, images inside tables, among other things.=C2=A0 I'= m hoping to become a poweruser of TeX through ConTeXt and LuaTeX. >From what I've read on this list so far, knowledgeable members of the commu= nity say that the key functionality to ConTeXt is in the "core".=C2=A0 I wo= uld like to become a power user of TeX/LuaTex/ConTeXt by learning ConTeXt f= rom the ground up and understanding the core at the source code level.=C2= =A0 I think this will make me skilled at rolling my own styles and fixing i= ssues on my own as I encounter them. I'm an experienced software engineer with some knowledge of TeX (on the lev= el of Knuth's "The TeXbook") and I'm happy to learn Lua.=C2=A0 I want to ac= tually read and understand the mkiv core source code and, just to start, un= derstand how simple directives (for example \startitemize ... \stopitemize)= , are compiled from end to end and where their macro source code comes from= (In this example I think it's in tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/t= ypo-itm.mkiv but I'm not positive). I know that \startitemize ...\stopitemize is very customizable, but I would= like to learn ConTeXt by learning how I could, for example, build the item= ize environment myself from scratch.=C2=A0 Can someone give me pointers on = the best place to start?=C2=A0 Then I can learn the code on my own (and not= be a pest on this list :) ). ------=_Part_927133_1102851201.1476675971339 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

I was fed up with L= aTeX, and became a newbie user of ConTeXt, and I think it's great and I rea= lly agree with the philosophy.

However, I also have t= o agree with some of what has been said about the lack of good documentatio= n for those learning ConTeXt.  I've built a couple of simple documents= using ConTeXt, but I'm having trouble customizing to get some functionalit= y that I used to get from LaTeX packages, and to customize things to fix is= sues that I had with LaTeX.  I typeset technical papers and books with= complex diagrams (e.g. xypic), charts and tables, tables embedded in table= s, images inside tables, among other things.  I'm hoping to become a p= oweruser of TeX through ConTeXt and LuaTeX.

From what= I've read on this list so far, knowledgeable members of the community say = that the key functionality to ConTeXt is in the "core".  I would like = to become a power user of TeX/LuaTex/ConTeXt by learning ConTeXt from the g= round up and understanding the core at the source code level.  I think= this will make me skilled at rolling my own styles and fixing issues on my= own as I encounter them.
<= br id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476661153233_10725">I'm an experienced software= engineer with some knowledge of TeX (on the level of Knuth's "The TeXbook"= ) and I'm happy to learn Lua.  I want to actually read and understand = the mkiv core source code and, just to start, understand how simple directi= ves (for example \startitemize ... \stopitemize), are compiled from end to = end and where their macro source code comes from (In this example I think i= t's in tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/typo-itm.mkiv but I'm not po= sitive).

I know that \startitemize ...\stopitemize is= very customizable, but I would like to learn ConTeXt by learning how I cou= ld, for example, build the itemize environment myself from scratch.  C= an someone give me pointers on the best place to start?  Then I can le= arn the code on my own (and not be a pest on this list :) ).

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