From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/18940 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Gerben Wierda" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Re: Learning ConTeXt, typical hurdle Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:28:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19934.159.46.248.233.1110796100.squirrel@159.46.248.233> References: <60028.213.84.141.31.1110461682.squirrel@213.84.141.31> <60915.213.84.141.31.1110470951.squirrel@213.84.141.31> <4234BE37.6000405@wxs.nl> <3ca4ba6b1f86a2b23ac086d17901bae2@rna.nl> <42354C36.40807@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1110796368 28787 80.91.229.2 (14 Mar 2005 10:32:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Mar 14 11:32:48 2005 Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DAmsO-0006dj-Ed for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:32:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C22127E5; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:33:45 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06176-04; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:33:44 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072D4127E8; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:31:55 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2E6127E5 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:31:52 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06279-03 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:31:51 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from post-24.mail.nl.demon.net (post-24.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.194]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C428312834 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:28:25 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ii2.demon.nl ([82.161.98.36]:24261 helo=mail.rna.nl) by post-24.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DAmoD-0003zt-Gq for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:28:25 +0000 Original-Received: from mail.rna.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2076D499 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:28:20 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from 159.46.248.233 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gerben); by mail.rna.nl with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:28:20 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <42354C36.40807@wxs.nl> Original-To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-MailScanner-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-MailScanner-To: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:18940 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:18940 > Gerben Wierda wrote: > >> Apart from adapting, the \startitemize \stopitemize does not require m= e >> to have a \par at the end. That is also confusing. > > That's because it's a different construct (less variants in visualizati= on > and > such); I understand that, but for someone new to ConTeXt, the behaviour of \whatever after a \definewhatever is unexpected. Especially so if one is used to LaTeX. The same is true for the non-implied start of a new column in \startable after a new row has been declared. My experience so far with ConTeXt is that it is probably possible to do all the things I want to do (though I still have a couple of open issues, see other posts) and I still have the feeling it is very powerful (I already had that when I first read the manual years ago). But the error messages I get or the behaviour I see when I make my beginner mistakes ar= e less illuminating than the LaTeX parts and the behaviour is also not always friendly (e.g. the \NC needed after a new row in \starttable) or intuitive or the same across diffferent parts of ConTeXt (\startitemize versus \startwhatever). And it sometimes very difficult to find documentation (directory structure, \starttable). G