With \definereferenceformat[pin][left=(,right=)] it is possible to typeset references with \pin[ref] and get "(ref)" I have two questions in this respect: 1. is it possible to change the general setup in the same way, e.g. let \in[ref] do the same as \pin[ref] here. The left and right are not in setupreferencing. 2. some strange interchange takes place when using \pin{A}{B}[ref]. Instead of the expected "A (ref) B" one gets "A (refB); it therefore seems the right parenthesis from the setup comes too late in play. Hans van der Meer