From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/2930 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Johannes_H=FCsing?= Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: alphabetic sorting Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:21:31 +0200 Sender: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl Message-ID: <20001009102131.33696@spi.power.uni-essen.de> Reply-To: johannes.huesing@uni-essen.de NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035393703 12908 80.91.224.250 (23 Oct 2002 17:21:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Original-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:2930 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:2930 Dear Hans, dear list, in German, as well as in other languages, there are different sorting patterns concerning the umlauts and the eszet. There is a dictionary order, which sorts the letter "a (sorry I have only a terminal available that wouldn't print all latin1 letters) in the same position as a, in conflicting positions after it (so Bar comes befor B"ar). The other one is the phone book order, which treats "a as ae, so J"ager and Jaeger will be sorted at the same position. Both orders make sense. In German, declination of many words comes with the replacement of a vowel by its umlaut, as in jagen -- J"ager. In a dictiona- ry you want to have the words Jagdrevier and J"agerlatein close together, as they are related. In names, you will have alternative spellings of the same word, and it may be awkward to have to remember if somebody's name spells with an umlaut or with the replacing vowel-e construction. I found a good coverage of this peculiarity in http://www.rostra.dk/alphabet/alpha_dt.htm (in German only). In a serious document management software you would like to have both types of orders available, depending on whether you have a subject or a name index. Hans, you told me that alternate order switches could be accomplished within ConTeXt, if only you are told about these kind of things. Gruss Johannes