Hyphenation of german words and em-dashes in german texts.

Hyphenation of german words and em-dashes in german texts.

[Robert F. Beeger]

Hi!

I've got two questions:
1. I've written a file that contains the hyphenations of some words I often 
use and which TeX seems not to know how to hyphen.
     All works wonderful until one of the words contains an Umlaut as in
         \hyphenation{Prä-sen-ta-tion}
    Then TeX says
         ! Improper \hyphenation will be flushed.
	\dohandleaccent #1#2->\def
                            \glyph {#2}\ifx \glyph \empty \dohandleaccent 
#1\...
	l.1 \hyphenation{Prõ
                     -sen-ta-tion}
	? h
	Hyphenation exceptions must contain only letters
	and hyphens. But continue; I'll forgive and forget.
   It doesn't work with \hyphenation{Pr\"a-sen-ta-tion} either.
   Is there a way around this problem?
2. In the TeXBook I've read that an em-dash is to be used in a sentence 
like "Every land I've ever visited has its own god --- or its own set of 
gods --- and they all have different names" From the moment I've read this 
thing about em-dashes in the TeXBook, I began to really discover them in 
english texts but never in german ones. Is this a special rule that is 
valid only for english texts or is it also a rule for german texts. And 
have I then, up to now, read only badly typsetted german texts? :)

Greets
     Robert F. Beeger

Re: Hyphenation of german words and em-dashes in german texts.

[Uwe Koloska]

Hello,

You wrote on Dienstag, 20. Februar 2001 20:16:
>Hi!
>
>I've got two questions:
>1. I've written a file that contains the hyphenations of some words I
> often use and which TeX seems not to know how to hyphen.
>     All works wonderful until one of the words contains an Umlaut as in
>         \hyphenation{Prä-sen-ta-tion}
>   It doesn't work with \hyphenation{Pr\"a-sen-ta-tion} either.
>   Is there a way around this problem?

Yes (I think)!  You have to use a font that contains real umlauts. The 
normal TeX ones (cmr family) has no umlauts and therefore context 
constructs the umlauts from different glyphs (the mentioned 
\dohandleaccent).  TeX is not able to hyphenate words with constructed 
umlauts -- this was the main reason for introducing the T1 Font encoding.

So you have two alternatives
  \setupbodyfont[aer]  % leaves the construction to postscript / pdf
  \setupbodyfont[pos]  % uses postscript fonts (that have umlauts)

Possibly you have to switch to an encoding that knows of umlauts, so that 
you can type them directly.
For Win and Unix use
  \useencoding[win]    % enables (nearly) latin-1 for input

>2. In the TeXBook I've read that an em-dash is to be used in a sentence
>like "Every land I've ever visited has its own god --- or its own set of
>gods --- and they all have different names" From the moment I've read this
>thing about em-dashes in the TeXBook, I began to really discover them in
>english texts but never in german ones. Is this a special rule that is
>valid only for english texts or is it also a rule for german texts. And
>have I then, up to now, read only badly typsetted german texts? :)

No, it's not used in german and most modern english texts doesn't use it, 
too.  So in german you use "--" as "Gedankenstrich"

Uwe

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but this will change as time goes by ;-)

Re: Hyphenation of german words and em-dashes in german texts.

[Hraban]

Uwe Koloska schrieb:
>>2. In the TeXBook I've read that an em-dash is to be used in a sentence
>>like "Every land I've ever visited has its own god --- or its own set of
>>gods --- and they all have different names" From the moment I've read this
>>thing about em-dashes in the TeXBook, I began to really discover them in
>>english texts but never in german ones. Is this a special rule that is
>>valid only for english texts or is it also a rule for german texts. And
>>have I then, up to now, read only badly typsetted german texts? :)
>
>No, it's not used in german and most modern english texts doesn't use it, 
>too.  So in german you use "--" as "Gedankenstrich"

Indeed. You can find more typographic detail information in my
"formelsammlung" (see link below) or in good books...

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Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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http://www.planet-interkom.de/fiee.visuelle/formelsammlung.html

Re: Hyphenation of german words and em-dashes in german texts.

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:13 PM 2/21/01 +0100, Hraban wrote:

>http://www.planet-interkom.de/fiee.visuelle/formelsammlung.html

interesting link 
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Re: Hyphenation of german words and em-dashes in german texts.

[Hraban]

Hans Hagen schrieb:
>At 09:13 PM 2/21/01 +0100, Hraban wrote:
> 
>>http://www.planet-interkom.de/fiee.visuelle/formelsammlung.html
>
>interesting link 

I hope so. That's the reason for posting it with every mail... ;-)

I just uploaded a new extended version. And I hope to transfer the
code from LaTeX to ConTeXt some time...

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Re: Hyphenation of german words and em-dashes in german texts.

[Hans Hagen]

At 05:48 PM 2/23/01 +0100, Hraban wrote:
>Hans Hagen schrieb:
>>At 09:13 PM 2/21/01 +0100, Hraban wrote:
>> 
>>>http://www.planet-interkom.de/fiee.visuelle/formelsammlung.html
>>
>>interesting link 
>
>I hope so. That's the reason for posting it with every mail... ;-)
>
>I just uploaded a new extended version. And I hope to transfer the
>code from LaTeX to ConTeXt some time...

Well, you can do the formulas in mathml (just mixed with normal tex, works
quite well now) and get some experience in that funny language. 

Hans
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MathML (was: Hyphenation of german words)

[Hraban]

Hans Hagen schrieb:
>>I just uploaded a new extended version. And I hope to transfer the
>>code from LaTeX to ConTeXt some time...
> 
>Well, you can do the formulas in mathml (just mixed with normal tex, works
>quite well now) and get some experience in that funny language. 

I'll try if I get some free time (after my exams in june/july...)
Perhaps even earlier -- I just tried the flowcharts and was surprised
how easy it is.

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Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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http://www.planet-interkom.de/fiee.visuelle/formelsammlung.html

Re: MathML (was: Hyphenation of german words)

[Johannes Huesing]

On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:21:56PM +0100, Hraban wrote:
> >Well, you can do the formulas in mathml (just mixed with normal tex, works
> >quite well now) and get some experience in that funny language. 
> 
> I'll try if I get some free time (after my exams in june/july...)
> Perhaps even earlier -- I just tried the flowcharts and was surprised
> how easy it is.
> 

The flow charts package is by Hans, while MathML is by W3C. I wouldn't assume 
they would make it as easy :-)

Groetjes

Johannes

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Re: MathML (was: Hyphenation of german words)

[Hans Hagen]

At 11:11 PM 2/24/01 +0100, Johannes Huesing wrote:
>On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:21:56PM +0100, Hraban wrote:
>> >Well, you can do the formulas in mathml (just mixed with normal tex, works
>> >quite well now) and get some experience in that funny language. 
>> 
>> I'll try if I get some free time (after my exams in june/july...)
>> Perhaps even earlier -- I just tried the flowcharts and was surprised
>> how easy it is.
>> 
>
>The flow charts package is by Hans, while MathML is by W3C. I wouldn't
assume 
>they would make it as easy :-)

I can of course make a simple dtd for the flow module. Then we have FlowML -) 

Hans
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Re: Hyphenation of german words and em-dashes in german texts.

[Robert F. Beeger]

Hello!

Although I'm no type setter, this is indeed an interesting link.

Also thanks for the answers to my hyphenation problem. I'm now using 
\setupbodyfont[aer] and it runs wonderful.

Greets
      Robert

At 12:05 23.02.2001 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
>At 09:13 PM 2/21/01 +0100, Hraban wrote:
>
> >http://www.planet-interkom.de/fiee.visuelle/formelsammlung.html
>
>interesting link
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