Hi there, If you use makempy and metapost then the following may be of interest. As a matter of fact it is pretty obvious but it took me some time to realise that it can be achieved easily. If you wish to have additional outlines for ``makempy'' fonts, just draw the text several times as in: graphictext( "C" ) scaled 8.8 withdrawcolor black withfillcolor red withpen pencircle scaled 16pt ; graphictext( "C" ) scaled 8.8 withdrawcolor white withfillcolor red withpen pencircle scaled 10pt ; This will give you a cool red C with a white and black outline. It may not work as great for all characters but for some it certainly does. See 16K attachment for an example that I am still working on. The puzzle part was nicked from Hans. Regards, Marc van Dongen