* Getting close @ 2001-08-22 18:09 David Arnold 2001-08-22 21:44 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: David Arnold @ 2001-08-22 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: pragma, ntg-context Christian, Hans, I have built the format metafun.mem and put it in \localtexmf\miktex\mem. I have write18 enabled in miktex.ini and cont-sys.tex has: % Enabling run time \METAPOST\ (also enable \write18 in texmf.cnf): \runMPgraphicstrue \runMPTEXgraphicstrue \recycleMPslotstrue \useMETAFUNformattrue But, no graphic is built when I compile my file. From the log file I spot a suspicious area: system(mpost -progname=mpost -mem=metafun context-matrices-mpgraph)...executed. figures : figure context-matrices-mpgraph can not be found Hans, here is the help file for mpost: D:\NSFGRANT\LinAlg\Matrices>mpost --help Usage: MPOST [OPTION...] [COMMAND...] -alias Prepend APP to the alias list. -c-style-errors Show C/C++ style error messages. -halt-on-error Allow only one error. -help Show this help screen and exit. -include-directory Prepend DIR to the search path. -initialize Initialize internal tables. -job-name=NAME Set the job name. -job-time=FILENAME Set the job time. Take a file's timestamp as the reference. -output-directory Define the location for output files. -tcx Process a TCX table. -terminal=oem Use DOS codepage for console output. -tex Use TEXPROGRAM for text labels. -trace Specify trace options. -translate-file Same as --tcx -undump=NAME Preload a dumped memory file. -version Print version info and exit. Note that there are no switches -progname and -mem. Further, note that this seems to work at the command line. D:\NSFGRANT\LinAlg\Matrices>mpost --alias=mpost --undump=metafun context-matrice s-mpgraph (context-matrices-mpgraph.mp [1] ) 1 output file written: context-matrices-mpgraph.1 Transcript written on context-matrices-mpgraph.log. Hans, do you have a workaround? Christian, any thoughts? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting close 2001-08-22 18:09 Getting close David Arnold @ 2001-08-22 21:44 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-22 23:09 ` David Arnold 2001-08-23 16:09 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-22 21:44 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context DA> system(mpost -progname=mpost -mem=metafun DA> context-matrices-mpgraph)...executed. DA> figures : figure context-matrices-mpgraph can not be found DA> Hans, here is the help file for mpost: DA> D:\NSFGRANT\LinAlg\Matrices>mpost --help DA> Usage: MPOST [OPTION...] [COMMAND...] DA> -alias Prepend APP to the alias list. [snip] DA> -undump=NAME Preload a dumped memory file. DA> Note that there are no switches -progname and -mem. Further, note that this DA> seems to work at the command line. [snip] DA> Hans, do you have a workaround? Christian, any thoughts? In your texexec.ini, substitute "-alias" for "-progname" and "-undump" for "-mem" where it talks about the MetaPost options for MiKTeX. Hans, this should be streamlined in the next bugfix release. -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting close 2001-08-22 21:44 ` Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-22 23:09 ` David Arnold 2001-08-23 9:07 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta ` (2 more replies) 2001-08-23 16:09 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 3 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: David Arnold @ 2001-08-22 23:09 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context, pragma Giuseppe, At 11:44 PM 8/22/01 +0200, you wrote: > > >DA> system(mpost -progname=mpost -mem=metafun >DA> context-matrices-mpgraph)...executed. >DA> figures : figure context-matrices-mpgraph can not be found > >DA> Hans, here is the help file for mpost: > >DA> D:\NSFGRANT\LinAlg\Matrices>mpost --help >DA> Usage: MPOST [OPTION...] [COMMAND...] >DA> -alias Prepend APP to the alias list. > >[snip] > >DA> -undump=NAME Preload a dumped memory file. > >DA> Note that there are no switches -progname and -mem. Further, note that this >DA> seems to work at the command line. > >[snip] > >DA> Hans, do you have a workaround? Christian, any thoughts? > >In your texexec.ini, substitute "-alias" for "-progname" and >"-undump" for "-mem" where it talks about the MetaPost options for >MiKTeX. I have already done that. This error is coming from another source, probably texexec.pl. - David Arnold College of the Redwoods Mathematics Department 7351 Tompkins Hill Rd Eureka, CA 95501 (707) 476-4222 Office (707) 476-4424 Fax http://online.redwoods.cc.ca.us/instruct/darnold/ Ordinary Differential Equations Using MATLAB, 2/e http://www.prenhall.com/books/esm_0130113816.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re[2]: Getting close 2001-08-22 23:09 ` David Arnold @ 2001-08-23 9:07 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-23 16:06 ` Hans Hagen 2001-08-23 12:26 ` Hervé Rouault 2001-08-23 16:11 ` Hans Hagen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-23 9:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Thursday, August 23, 2001 David Arnold wrote: >>In your texexec.ini, substitute "-alias" for "-progname" and >>"-undump" for "-mem" where it talks about the MetaPost options for >>MiKTeX. DA> I have already done that. This error is coming from another source, DA> probably texexec.pl. I seem to recall there was a bug with hard-wired options. Have a look at the ConTeXt source files (esp. supp-mps.tex) Hans, I reported this error times ago. It looks like texexec does *not* override the hardcoded optionz in supp-mps.tex -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re[2]: Getting close 2001-08-23 9:07 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-23 16:06 ` Hans Hagen 2001-08-23 20:48 ` Re[3]: " Giuseppe Bilotta 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-23 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: David Arnold, ntg-context At 11:07 AM 8/23/2001 +0200, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: >Thursday, August 23, 2001 David Arnold wrote: > > >>In your texexec.ini, substitute "-alias" for "-progname" and > >>"-undump" for "-mem" where it talks about the MetaPost options for > >>MiKTeX. > >DA> I have already done that. This error is coming from another source, >DA> probably texexec.pl. > >I seem to recall there was a bug with hard-wired options. Have a >look at the ConTeXt source files (esp. supp-mps.tex) > >Hans, I reported this error times ago. It looks like texexec does >*not* override the hardcoded optionz in supp-mps.tex is is supposed to, but as often is the case, i made it buggy [no testing done since i have no miktex installed] i wonder why miktex, being build on top of web2c (right?) does not also support the web2c flags Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re[3]: Getting close 2001-08-23 16:06 ` Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-23 20:48 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-25 19:16 ` Fabrice Popineau 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-23 20:48 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context HH> i wonder why miktex, being build on top of web2c (right?) does not also HH> support the web2c flags MiKTeX is not build on Web2C. fpTeX is the Win32 Web2C TeX version. MiKTeX has been developed from scratch. It doesn't use the kpathsearch library, it doesn't have the web2c flags ... it does have features lacking in web2c though (like the --src-specials and --job-name command lines), and it is "convergin" towards web2c (IIRC, 2.1 got the kpathsea tools as well, but I'm not sure. Will know when I get it.) -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Re[3]: Getting close 2001-08-23 20:48 ` Re[3]: " Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-25 19:16 ` Fabrice Popineau 2001-08-25 21:51 ` Re[5]: " Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-25 21:58 ` Re[3]: " Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Fabrice Popineau @ 2001-08-25 19:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Hans Hagen, ntg-context * Giuseppe Bilotta <bourbaki@bigfoot.com> writes: > kpathsearch library, it doesn't have the web2c flags ... it does > have features lacking in web2c though (like the --src-specials and Those options are available to web2c : d:\popineau>tex --help Usage: tex [OPTION]... [TEXNAME[.tex]] [COMMANDS] ... -c-style-errors print C/C++ style error messages. -fmt=FMTNAME use FMTNAME instead of program name or a %& line -ini be initex, for dumping formats; this is implicitly true if the program name is `initex' -interaction=STRING set interaction mode (STRING=batchmode/nonstopmode/ scrollmode/errorstopmode) -kpathsea-debug=NUMBER set path searching debugging flags according to the bits of NUMBER [-no]-mktex=FMT disable/enable mktexFMT generation (FMT=tex/tfm) -mltex enable MLTeX extensions such as \charsubdef -oem Use DOS codepage for console output. -output-comment=STRING use STRING for DVI file comment instead of date -progname=STRING set program (and fmt) name to STRING -shell-escape enable \write18{SHELL COMMAND} -src-specials insert source specials into the DVI file -src-specials=WHERE insert source specials in certain places of the DVI file. WHERE is a comma-separated value list: cr display hbox math par parend vbox -translate-file=TCXNAME use the TCX file TCXNAME -stack-size=N set stack_size to N -help display this help and exit -version output version information and exit > --job-name command lines), and it is "convergin" towards web2c I could add this one too. -- Fabrice ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re[5]: Getting close 2001-08-25 19:16 ` Fabrice Popineau @ 2001-08-25 21:51 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-25 21:58 ` Re[3]: " Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-25 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Saturday, August 25, 2001 Fabrice Popineau wrote: FP> * Giuseppe Bilotta <bourbaki@bigfoot.com> writes: >> kpathsearch library, it doesn't have the web2c flags ... it does >> have features lacking in web2c though (like the --src-specials and FP> Those options are available to web2c Yup. Guess I'm a bit late ... >> --job-name command lines), and it is "convergin" towards web2c FP> I could add this one too. Looks like it's the only difference now? -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Re[3]: Getting close 2001-08-25 19:16 ` Fabrice Popineau 2001-08-25 21:51 ` Re[5]: " Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-25 21:58 ` Hans Hagen 2001-08-26 12:34 ` Re[5]: " Giuseppe Bilotta 1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-25 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Giuseppe Bilotta, ntg-context At 09:16 PM 8/25/2001 +0200, Fabrice Popineau wrote: > > --job-name command lines), and it is "convergin" towards web2c > >I could add this one too. interesting, since it would make texexec --result=filename faster Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re[5]: Getting close 2001-08-25 21:58 ` Re[3]: " Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-26 12:34 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-27 8:30 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-26 12:34 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Saturday, August 25, 2001 Hans Hagen wrote: HH> At 09:16 PM 8/25/2001 +0200, Fabrice Popineau wrote: >> > --job-name command lines), and it is "convergin" towards web2c >> >>I could add this one too. HH> interesting, since it would make texexec --result=filename faster Why don't you set this up for MiKTeX in the mean time? And then: how would you know if the user is using a recent-enough fpTeX which provides the --job-name option? -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re[5]: Getting close 2001-08-26 12:34 ` Re[5]: " Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-27 8:30 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-27 8:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 02:34 PM 8/26/2001 +0200, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: >Saturday, August 25, 2001 Hans Hagen wrote: > >HH> At 09:16 PM 8/25/2001 +0200, Fabrice Popineau wrote: > > >> > --job-name command lines), and it is "convergin" towards web2c > >> > >>I could add this one too. > >HH> interesting, since it would make texexec --result=filename faster > >Why don't you set this up for MiKTeX in the mean time? hm, it would be --jobname then, to remain compatible with whatever tex that does not support it; actually, you can nio say: --passon="--job-name=bigfoot" and achieve similar results >And then: how would you know if the user is using a recent-enough >fpTeX which provides the --job-name option? i would not, but since fabrice always kindly puts recent pdftex's in a separate zip, updating is easy, Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting close 2001-08-22 23:09 ` David Arnold 2001-08-23 9:07 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-23 12:26 ` Hervé Rouault 2001-08-23 16:01 ` Hans Hagen 2001-08-23 16:11 ` Hans Hagen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Hervé Rouault @ 2001-08-23 12:26 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context, pragma Hi!! I have exactly the same problem (see problem with metapost). I'm happy that i'm not alone ;-) I searched for the string "-progname=mpost" in texmf and the only files that contains it are : texexec.ini and supp-mps.tex in this last file, i tried to delete the line with "-prognam=mpost..." without any result! I don't anderstand where this message can come from!! Hervé ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Arnold" <darnold@northcoast.com> To: "Giuseppe Bilotta" <bourbaki@bigfoot.com> Cc: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>; <pragma@wxs.nl> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:09 AM Subject: Re: Getting close > Giuseppe, > > At 11:44 PM 8/22/01 +0200, you wrote: > > > > > >DA> system(mpost -progname=mpost -mem=metafun > >DA> context-matrices-mpgraph)...executed. > >DA> figures : figure context-matrices-mpgraph can not be found > > > >DA> Hans, here is the help file for mpost: > > > >DA> D:\NSFGRANT\LinAlg\Matrices>mpost --help > >DA> Usage: MPOST [OPTION...] [COMMAND...] > >DA> -alias Prepend APP to the alias list. > > > >[snip] > > > >DA> -undump=NAME Preload a dumped memory file. > > > >DA> Note that there are no switches -progname and -mem. Further, note that > this > >DA> seems to work at the command line. > > > >[snip] > > > >DA> Hans, do you have a workaround? Christian, any thoughts? > > > >In your texexec.ini, substitute "-alias" for "-progname" and > >"-undump" for "-mem" where it talks about the MetaPost options for > >MiKTeX. > > I have already done that. This error is coming from another source, > probably texexec.pl. > - > David Arnold > College of the Redwoods > Mathematics Department > 7351 Tompkins Hill Rd > Eureka, CA 95501 > (707) 476-4222 Office > (707) 476-4424 Fax > http://online.redwoods.cc.ca.us/instruct/darnold/ > > Ordinary Differential Equations Using MATLAB, 2/e > http://www.prenhall.com/books/esm_0130113816.html > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting close 2001-08-23 12:26 ` Hervé Rouault @ 2001-08-23 16:01 ` Hans Hagen 2001-08-24 3:57 ` David Arnold 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-23 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Giuseppe Bilotta, David Arnold, ntg-context, pragma At 02:26 PM 8/23/2001 +0200, Hervé Rouault wrote: >Hi!! > >I have exactly the same problem (see problem with metapost). I'm happy that >i'm not alone ;-) > >I searched for the string "-progname=mpost" in texmf and the only files that >contains it are : > >texexec.ini and supp-mps.tex right, now, you can overload the one in supp-mps.tex in you local cont-sys.tex, but what is better, you can repair a bug in texexec: There is a line there saying: $TeXShell eq (MikTeX) which is pretty wrong and should be if ($TeXShell =~ /MikTeX/io) that way, texexec will set the right flag (kind of). Can you try that? Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting close 2001-08-23 16:01 ` Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-24 3:57 ` David Arnold 0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: David Arnold @ 2001-08-24 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: cs, ntg-context Hans, et al, After making the change to texexec.pl suggested below, I am happy to report that my system is crafting Metapost graphics on the fly, as is evidenced in these beautiful lines in my log file: system(mpost --alias=mpost --undump=metafun context-matrices-mpgraph)...execute d. [MP to PDF context-matrices-mpgraph.1] (context-matrices-mpgraph.1) At 06:01 PM 8/23/01 +0200, you wrote: >At 02:26 PM 8/23/2001 +0200, Hervé Rouault wrote: >>Hi!! >> >>I have exactly the same problem (see problem with metapost). I'm happy that >>i'm not alone ;-) >> >>I searched for the string "-progname=mpost" in texmf and the only files that >>contains it are : >> >>texexec.ini and supp-mps.tex > >right, now, you can overload the one in supp-mps.tex in you local >cont-sys.tex, but what is better, you can repair a bug in texexec: > >There is a line there saying: > > $TeXShell eq (MikTeX) > >which is pretty wrong and should be > > > if ($TeXShell =~ /MikTeX/io) > >that way, texexec will set the right flag (kind of). Can you try that? > >Hans >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting close 2001-08-22 23:09 ` David Arnold 2001-08-23 9:07 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-23 12:26 ` Hervé Rouault @ 2001-08-23 16:11 ` Hans Hagen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-23 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Giuseppe Bilotta, ntg-context At 04:09 PM 8/22/2001 -0700, David Arnold wrote: >I have already done that. This error is coming from another source, >probably texexec.pl. see other mails; you used to handle that in your cont-sys.tex file that you threw away btw, watch out: there are now more path's under /tex/context so that there is less risk for deleting your own stuff Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Getting close 2001-08-22 21:44 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-22 23:09 ` David Arnold @ 2001-08-23 16:09 ` Hans Hagen 2001-08-23 20:49 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta 1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-23 16:09 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: David Arnold, ntg-context At 11:44 PM 8/22/2001 +0200, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: >"-undump" for "-mem" where it talks about the MetaPost options for >MiKTeX. should i also set --alias=context for tex runs ? Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re[2]: Getting close 2001-08-23 16:09 ` Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-23 20:49 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-24 8:38 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-23 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Thursday, August 23, 2001 Hans Hagen wrote: HH> At 11:44 PM 8/22/2001 +0200, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: >>"-undump" for "-mem" where it talks about the MetaPost options for >>MiKTeX. HH> should i also set --alias=context for tex runs ? Would it turn out useful somehow? -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re[2]: Getting close 2001-08-23 20:49 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-24 8:38 ` Hans Hagen 2001-08-24 14:15 ` Re[3]: " Giuseppe Bilotta 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-24 8:38 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 10:49 PM 8/23/2001 +0200, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: >HH> should i also set --alias=context for tex runs ? > >Would it turn out useful somehow? it depends on the mem settings associated. What is alias supposed to do? Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re[3]: Getting close 2001-08-24 8:38 ` Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-24 14:15 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-24 16:13 ` progname explained Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-24 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Friday, August 24, 2001 Hans Hagen wrote: HH> At 10:49 PM 8/23/2001 +0200, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: >>HH> should i also set --alias=context for tex runs ? >> >>Would it turn out useful somehow? HH> it depends on the mem settings associated. What is alias supposed to do? "Pretend to be 'app'". Have no idea. What does --prog-name do with web2c? -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* progname explained 2001-08-24 14:15 ` Re[3]: " Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-24 16:13 ` Hans Hagen [not found] ` <5.1. 0.14.1.20010824103737.02618c58@server-1> ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-24 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 04:15 PM 8/24/2001 +0200, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: >Friday, August 24, 2001 Hans Hagen wrote: > >HH> At 10:49 PM 8/23/2001 +0200, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: > > > >>HH> should i also set --alias=context for tex runs ? > >> > >>Would it turn out useful somehow? > >HH> it depends on the mem settings associated. What is alias supposed to do? > >"Pretend to be 'app'". Have no idea. What does --prog-name do with >web2c? rather clever: it permits the program to filter progname specific settings (paths, mem settings) from the texmf.cnf file; even better would be if it could operate along two axes, so that one can have format as well as binary associated settings (i would like to have a context.pdftex.cfg file actually) Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
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* Re: progname explained 2001-08-24 16:13 ` progname explained Hans Hagen [not found] ` <5.1. 0.14.1.20010824103737.02618c58@server-1> [not found] ` <5.1. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?0.14.1.200108241?=03737.02618c58@server-1> @ 2001-08-25 9:20 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-26 8:56 ` more TeXs (was: progname explained) Henning Hraban Ramm 2001-08-26 19:21 ` map file / cfg file Hans Hagen 2 siblings, 2 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-25 9:20 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Friday, August 24, 2001 Hans Hagen wrote: >>"Pretend to be 'app'". Have no idea. What does --prog-name do with >>web2c? HH> rather clever: it permits the program to filter progname specific settings HH> (paths, mem settings) from the texmf.cnf file; I guess this is what --alias does in MiKTeX as well? HH> even better would be if it could operate along two axes, so HH> that one can have format as well as binary associated settings HH> (i would like to have a context.pdftex.cfg file actually) You mean, different settings based on wether we're running pdftex, pdf-e-tex or knuth's tex? -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* more TeXs (was: progname explained) 2001-08-25 9:20 ` Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-26 8:56 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2001-08-26 9:40 ` more TeXs -Y&Y? Christof Schardt 2001-08-27 7:59 ` more TeXs (was: progname explained) Hans Hagen 2001-08-26 19:21 ` map file / cfg file Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 2 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2001-08-26 8:56 UTC (permalink / raw) >You mean, different settings based on wether we're running pdftex, >pdf-e-tex or knuth's tex? Just to remember: There's another TeX, the best for PDF: VTeX. It's commercial on Win, free for Linux and OS/2 and soon I-don't-know-what-but-not-free on MacOS Classic and X. Hans promised some day to Michael Vulis (so he told me) to make a driver (or what is needed) for VTeX. I know there's much more that Hans should and will do before, I just wanted to remember... (Even if I can get no hope that everything will ever run on MacOS Classic). -- Grüßlis vom Hraban! --- http://www.fiee.net/ (Formelsammlung) http://www.angerweit.de/ (Musik) http://www.ramm.ch/ (Privates) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: more TeXs -Y&Y? 2001-08-26 8:56 ` more TeXs (was: progname explained) Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2001-08-26 9:40 ` Christof Schardt 2001-08-27 8:26 ` yandytex Hans Hagen 2001-08-27 7:59 ` more TeXs (was: progname explained) Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Christof Schardt @ 2001-08-26 9:40 UTC (permalink / raw) > >You mean, different settings based on wether we're running pdftex, > >pdf-e-tex or knuth's tex? > > Just to remember: There's another TeX, the best for PDF: VTeX. Can someone tell some words about Y&Y-TeX and ContexT? (resp. VTeX vs. Y&Y) I wonder, wether Context will make it obsolete bying one of those commercial packets, and - if not - which are teh benefits. Thanks Christof ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* yandytex 2001-08-26 9:40 ` more TeXs -Y&Y? Christof Schardt @ 2001-08-27 8:26 ` Hans Hagen 2001-08-27 15:50 ` yandytex George N. White III [not found] ` <Pine.SV4.4.32.0108271226480.19232-100000@emerald.bio.dfo.c a> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-27 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 11:38 AM 8/26/2001 +0200, Christof Schardt wrote: > > >You mean, different settings based on wether we're running pdftex, > > >pdf-e-tex or knuth's tex? > > > > Just to remember: There's another TeX, the best for PDF: VTeX. > >Can someone tell some words about Y&Y-TeX and ContexT? >(resp. VTeX vs. Y&Y) > >I wonder, wether Context will make it obsolete >bying one of those commercial packets, and >- if not - which are teh benefits. yandytex is just tex, but with dynamic memory allocation; long ago it wasthe only big tex along with hugeemtex, but nowadays there is no need for bying a tex any more since there is web2c and miktex, which are both big and fast. Furthermore, yandytex does not produce pdf output. the dvi to ps backend of yandy is one of the best there is and may be worth bying if you want to produce ps or go from ps to pdf; but i must admit that i always use pdftex today; also dvipsone does only run on windows and does not support virtual fonts vtex is another story, since it is an extended version of tex [although i'm not sure if it also implements etex]. It has a pdf backend as well as a ps interpreter on board [think of tight integration between tex and gs]; as a result, you can do graphics trickery. In order to use the power of vtex [and not fall back on low level codig] you need of course macros to handle that. pdfetex, well, you know that one i suppose, it is a triptest compatible tex with dvi and pdf backend, and a couple of extras that make live more easy as well as some extra typographical extensions context is a macro package, that works on top of any tex, but in orde to access special features of some tex or backend, a special driver is needed, and writing one is not that big a deal since there is a high level of abstraction; to be honest, i don't know how well context+metapost compares with latex+vtex but so far i can do what i want; having nice low level trickery available without decent support from the macro package is not interesting for me. on the other hand it should not be that hard to interface to vtex, but i would probably not use the graphic features in there as long as i can use metapost; some font trickery on the other hand looks interesting [and i wonder how hard it would be to extend pdftex with it]; another interesting vtex feature is the html output but i never looked into that so, unless you need very special features present in vtex, you can stick to pdfetex+context; in any case, it may be worth looking into some of the yandy [lucida,mathtimes] and.or vtex [times,helvetica,informal,...] fonts Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: yandytex 2001-08-27 8:26 ` yandytex Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-27 15:50 ` George N. White III [not found] ` <Pine.SV4.4.32.0108271226480.19232-100000@emerald.bio.dfo.c a> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: George N. White III @ 2001-08-27 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Christof Schardt, ntg-context On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Hans Hagen wrote: > yandytex is just tex, but with dynamic memory allocation; long ago it > wasthe only big tex along with hugeemtex, but nowadays there is no need for > bying a tex any more since there is web2c and miktex, which are both big > and fast. Furthermore, yandytex does not produce pdf output. the dvi to ps > backend of yandy is one of the best there is and may be worth bying if you > want to produce ps or go from ps to pdf; but i must admit that i always use > pdftex today; also dvipsone does only run on windows and does not support > virtual fonts Dvipsone is excellent and works well with Adobe Acrobat. Y&Y's dvi viewer is also excellent. You can cut and paste from the viewer into other applications and you get fully scalable WMF using the Type 1 fonts (e.g., via ATM). The viewer will highlight glyphs from a particular font (chosen from a pull-down list of fonts used in a document). If you want to use vf's you can use dvicopy, but Y&Y also has tools to manipulate Type 1 fonts. These can be used to do some of the things that would otherwise require vf's, and the resulting fonts work (via ATM) in other Windows apps. > [...] > so, unless you need very special features present in vtex, you can stick to > pdfetex+context; in any case, it may be worth looking into some of the > yandy [lucida,mathtimes] and.or vtex [times,helvetica,informal,...] fonts AFAIK, margin kerning is only available in pdftex. -- George N. White III <gnw3@acm.org> Bedford Institute of Oceanography ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
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* Re: yandytex [not found] ` <Pine.SV4.4.32.0108271226480.19232-100000@emerald.bio.dfo.c a> @ 2001-08-27 15:59 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-27 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Christof Schardt, ntg-context At 12:50 PM 8/27/2001 -0300, George N. White III wrote: >On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Hans Hagen wrote: > > > yandytex is just tex, but with dynamic memory allocation; long ago it > > wasthe only big tex along with hugeemtex, but nowadays there is no need for > > bying a tex any more since there is web2c and miktex, which are both big > > and fast. Furthermore, yandytex does not produce pdf output. the dvi to ps > > backend of yandy is one of the best there is and may be worth bying if you > > want to produce ps or go from ps to pdf; but i must admit that i always use > > pdftex today; also dvipsone does only run on windows and does not support > > virtual fonts > >Dvipsone is excellent and works well with Adobe Acrobat. Y&Y's dvi viewer indeed, dvipsone is pretty good, we used to use dviwindo too, as well as dvipsone with acrobat, although previous versions of pdfmarks had limitations; i did quite some development on interactive dcs using dviwindo; interestingly it took a while before dviwindo/acrobat both had page/named dest which is one reason why context supports both. >is also excellent. You can cut and paste from the viewer into other >applications and you get fully scalable WMF using the Type 1 fonts (e.g., >via ATM). The viewer will highlight glyphs from a particular font (chosen >from a pull-down list of fonts used in a document). If you want to use >vf's you can use dvicopy, but Y&Y also has tools to manipulate Type 1 >fonts. These can be used to do some of the things that would otherwise >require vf's, and the resulting fonts work (via ATM) in other Windows >apps. right, but somehow i feel uncomfortable with manipulating the pfb and keeping the name unchanged; this is ok for english, but on systems meant for euopean languages myltiple encidings may be in effect > > [...] > > so, unless you need very special features present in vtex, you can stick to > > pdfetex+context; in any case, it may be worth looking into some of the > > yandy [lucida,mathtimes] and.or vtex [times,helvetica,informal,...] fonts > >AFAIK, margin kerning is only available in pdftex. as well as hz optimization [there are a couple of more, like position tracking but this can be handled in dvi too, but less comfortable] Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: more TeXs (was: progname explained) 2001-08-26 8:56 ` more TeXs (was: progname explained) Henning Hraban Ramm 2001-08-26 9:40 ` more TeXs -Y&Y? Christof Schardt @ 2001-08-27 7:59 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-27 7:59 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 10:56 AM 8/26/2001 +0200, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: >Hans promised some day to Michael Vulis (so he told me) to make >a driver (or what is needed) for VTeX. >I know there's much more that Hans should and will do before, >I just wanted to remember... (Even if I can get no hope that >everything will ever run on MacOS Classic). yes, but then i need to install a version of vtex [which means big downloads] first -) anyway, if you provide me the specs [the piece of the manual dealing with specials] i can write you that driver Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* map file / cfg file 2001-08-25 9:20 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-26 8:56 ` more TeXs (was: progname explained) Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2001-08-26 19:21 ` Hans Hagen 2001-08-27 9:17 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-26 19:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 11:20 AM 8/25/2001 +0200, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: >You mean, different settings based on wether we're running pdftex, >pdf-e-tex or knuth's tex? No, currently some settings in the pdftex.cfg file are rather system dependent, like the map files that you use. Since pdftex defaults to psfonts.map and ignores later specs of the same font, as well as uses map file entries for analyzing purposes, i would like to have away to overload this. \pdfcfgfile would be a nice option. Alternatively it could be a progname related something, context.cfg pdftex.cfg and alike with the pdftex.cfg being used when no other is found. Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: map file / cfg file 2001-08-26 19:21 ` map file / cfg file Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-27 9:17 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 2001-08-27 16:33 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread From: Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-27 9:17 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Sunday, August 26, 2001 Hans Hagen wrote: HH> \pdfcfgfile HH> would be a nice option. HH> Alternatively it could be a progname related something, HH> context.cfg HH> pdftex.cfg HH> and alike with the pdftex.cfg being used when no other is found. Did you ask Than about it? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: map file / cfg file 2001-08-27 9:17 ` Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2001-08-27 16:33 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2001-08-27 16:33 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 11:17 AM 8/27/2001 +0200, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: >Sunday, August 26, 2001 Hans Hagen wrote: > >HH> \pdfcfgfile > >HH> would be a nice option. > >HH> Alternatively it could be a progname related something, > >HH> context.cfg >HH> pdftex.cfg > >HH> and alike with the pdftex.cfg being used when no other is found. > >Did you ask Than about it? Not yet, but we discussed map issues and some more font related things; he will look into it when he's back in vietnam Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
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